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Talking about opamp impact on SQ these days..... I replaced the stock ones in my Dr.DAC2 (Audiotrak) to OPA627BP and AD797BRZ and you know.... the sound changed dramatically. I started to revisit my CDs.... it was like if I have bought something new in my setup and actually I did - these were several opamps...  One small step.... Ivo |
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« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2010, 03:03:14 pm » |
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This is the latest reply from Cantatis, their driver does not allow for exclusive mode.
Hi Leo,
The Overture 192 audio driver is a traditional Microsoft WDM driver and has been tried and tested for many years on Windows systems from Windows 98 onwards. This means that it is very robust, very high performance and is acknowledged as "bit perfect" and essentially "bug free".
The audio system in Windows Vista has a limitation in that it does not allow you to select a sample rate of 88.2kHz or 176.4kHz from the playback devices control panel so these are not available in the Overture 192 Control Application in Windows Vista.
Windows 7 does allow selection of these rates from the control panel but only at 16-bits so again, they are not available in the Overture 192 Control Application in Windows 7 (we gave you a "special" version of the application that allows you to select these rates at 16-bits). The Windows 7 platform is still in the process of being developed by Microsoft and the audio part of the operating system is still subject to some changes by Microsoft at this time so this might change.
Note that as the Overture 192 audio driver is a highly reliable and well tested WDM driver it does not support the new WASAPI interface that allows for "exclusive mode" access to the device driver so you must select the desired sample rate and bit depth using the Overture 192 Control Application and Windows playback devices control panel.
Best regards,
Steve
Cantatis Support\
So it seems we have to live with the 16 bit for the time being. Any ideas how to work around this, instead of waiting for Microsoft to wake up to 24 bit ?
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« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2010, 03:30:31 pm » |
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MS isn't going to change anything, because there is NO NEED to change anything. And ... A WDM driver with some self respect is WASAPI compatible (it has to be, it ought to be, it MUST be when it's signed). I told him not to think ... now he does it again. Allow auto-switching does all the jobs needed. |
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« Reply #108 on: February 19, 2010, 06:23:15 pm » |
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Well, if Cantatis feels that WASAPI is not what a wellbehaved driver should be able to do, that route is closed for now. Which is a pity as I think it is a very good sounding card....
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« Reply #109 on: February 19, 2010, 07:24:35 pm » |
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What about proving to them that the list of output rates is unrelated to what you can play ? A bit like you see in the picture below;
(or do you/they really think that we're outputting in 16 bits only ? --> that list is totally unrelated !! it is for SHARED mode and we use Exclusive Mode --> this even shows at the top, in dutch though "select the sample rate to use in Shared Mode").
Just allow for auto switching, and the player will set 24/176.4 etc.
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« Reply #110 on: February 22, 2010, 09:56:48 am » |
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I don't understand this. My Onkyo card (same VIA Envy chipset as the Cantatis) does 24bit @ 88.2 and 176.4, and auto sample rate switching. This sounds like gobbledygook to me.
Anyway, I think the Cantatis sounds best at 44.1 with 44.1 material. And it does sound fucking good. What a brilliant card.
One weird thing, I cannot get Windows to recognise the Cantatis analogue outs. It only says "S/PDIF" in the Win control panel. No volume control at all in any program. The analogue outs work obviously, but I was wondering if this was intentional. Have asked Cantatis, but no answer. Think I'll nag a little more. Using 7 x64 btw.
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« Reply #111 on: February 22, 2010, 10:07:45 am » |
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I don't understand this. Wrong. Cantatis doesn't understand. But that is what you wanted to say eh ? The analogue outs work obviously How would that be obvious if you can't choose it for output in Windows ?? (or maybe I didn't get it) |
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« Reply #112 on: February 22, 2010, 03:48:19 pm » |
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I don't understand this. My Onkyo card (same VIA Envy chipset as the Cantatis) does 24bit @ 88.2 and 176.4, and auto sample rate switching. This sounds like gobbledygook to me.
Anyway, I think the Cantatis sounds best at 44.1 with 44.1 material. And it does sound fucking good. What a brilliant card.
One weird thing, I cannot get Windows to recognise the Cantatis analogue outs. It only says "S/PDIF" in the Win control panel. No volume control at all in any program. The analogue outs work obviously, but I was wondering if this was intentional. Have asked Cantatis, but no answer. Think I'll nag a little more. Using 7 x64 btw.
Fidelio, can you elaborate further on the SQ difference between the Onkyo and the Overture 192? I currently own an Asus Xonar D2 card, but find the highs / treble quite fatigueing. I almost bought the Onkyo from the wavio shop this afternoon, since that card is known for its laid back sound. Now I'm wondering whether the Overture might be the better choice. Is the Overture laid back? I'm very curious how the top end of this card is compared to C-Media based sound cards. |
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« Reply #113 on: February 22, 2010, 10:09:41 pm » |
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The analogue outs work obviously How would that be obvious if you can't choose it for output in Windows ?? (or maybe I didn't get it) Obviously - since I get sound I was perhaps wondering if this is simply the way Cantatis have implemented it. However, I suspect that if I try the headamp without a volume control then  Fidelio, can you elaborate further on the SQ difference between the Onkyo and the Overture 192? I currently own an Asus Xonar D2 card, but find the highs / treble quite fatigueing. I almost bought the Onkyo from the wavio shop this afternoon, since that card is known for its laid back sound. Now I'm wondering whether the Overture might be the better choice. Is the Overture laid back? I'm very curious how the top end of this card is compared to C-Media based sound cards.
The Cantatis is miles better than the Onkyo, they are just in two completely different leagues. The Cantatis is much better defined and detailed, but much more natural than the Onkyo. I do agree that the Onkyo can sound "laid back", and the Cantatis more "upfront", but the Cantatis is much better to listen to during long listening sessions, much less fatigue than the Onkyo. The highs on the Cantatis are crisp, clean and airy, and very very natural, perhaps its best part of all. I love this card, as you might have gathered  A big  @ Cantatis, understanding how Windows audio works or not, for £300 this must be the biggest bargain ever in hi-fi. |
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« Reply #114 on: February 23, 2010, 10:19:05 am » |
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I agree with Fidelio that the Cantatis is quite a bit better than the Onkyo card
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« Reply #115 on: February 23, 2010, 12:05:17 pm » |
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Thanks guys, it's clear now.
I'll pick up an ex demo overture soon and let you know how it compares against my Xonar D2
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« Reply #116 on: March 23, 2010, 10:54:08 pm » |
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Hello, first my english is not very well so i´m sorry. I´m looking for a soundcard, i had a xfi extreme music and now an asus xonar d2, but i´m not very happy with the asus. I read that the onkyo se 200 was a very good card, but later Fidelio saids that the cantatis it´s more better than the onkyo. Fidelio, the cantatis hasn´t got spdif in or it´s posible conect a spdif in. Really it´s so good the cantatis in comparison with the onkyo? Thanks and sorry for my english.
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« Reply #117 on: March 24, 2010, 08:56:36 am » |
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Hi; Googling one's way to forums are we?  Like I said before, the Cantatis is miles better than the Onkyo. They are releasing an add-on card with s/pdif in as well actually, and one with analogue in. Toccata or something like that. |
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« Reply #118 on: March 24, 2010, 12:58:27 pm » |
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Thank you very much for answer so fast. Yes, I found this forum in google, and then i discovered the onkyo and cantatis. Well, then I´ll bought the cantatis and after, the spdif in expansion. I am very excited with this card, Do you know any store apart of the cantatis´ website?
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« Reply #119 on: March 31, 2010, 09:38:33 am » |
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Hi,
Is there anything better than Cantatis Overture available? I'm searching for replacement of my USB-based M-Audio Transit to feed external DAC. However Cantatis may be better than my external DAC, I wouldn't be surprised...
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