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« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2009, 02:29:37 pm » |
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« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2009, 02:44:37 pm » |
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I used both analogue and spdif out, to my Allman dac for comparison. With the 192 files i used (before the help of Fidelio), the Altman clearly won against the new Onkyo (more and better bass and more 'stable'sound). Now after a couple of days of running the Onkyo I think the tables are turning.
I have just been listening to Betty Lavette using 176 and arc prediction and never heard it so good (using analog out of the Onkyo)...
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« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2009, 03:06:13 pm » |
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Thanks, Peter. I did not see those links / informations. For pictures I would still prefer an overview highres picture like this (on the Audiotrak HD2) http://www.audiotrak.net/images/products/prodigyhd2_large.jpgPer |
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« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2009, 03:14:33 pm » |
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This is all I could find !
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2009, 04:19:37 pm » |
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This is all I could find !
I dropped Cantatis a line asking them for some highres pictures of the soundcard. Thanks again for the links. Per |
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« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2009, 05:18:24 pm » |
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Great to hear that you are pleased with the Onkyo  Could you perhaps be a bit more specific regarding how you percieve the SQ with and without Arc Pred? Perhaps we are hearing the same things but have different preferences. I have decided to try out the Cantatis card, will report back eventually. Moreover, I have just recieved two Black Gate caps that are going to do the power filtering on the Onkyo card, the two main power filtering caps that are there by standard could perhaps be improved on. Will have to get the soldering iron out (and I am cr*p at soldering). |
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« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2009, 05:31:08 pm » |
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I have not done a comparison with and without Arc prediction with the onkyo yet. As I was very hapy with it before with fireface 400 and Altman dac or the 'hongkong dac' I tried that immediately. And like the endresult a lot. But I will do that comparison this week and let you know
And as I have also the 90 card (above 300 euro I had free shipping and shipping was something like 50 or 60 euro so i bought both cards) I will get out the soldering iron as well and try some modifications on that one. Better opamps, burton perhaps, or even output transformer instead of opamps.
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« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2009, 05:44:24 pm » |
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Leo, it would be great with a comparison between the 200 Ltd and the 90 unmodded if you have the time.
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« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2009, 05:49:29 pm » |
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How could I even consider to refuse this after your help ?  I will let you know my experiences with both cards with and without arc prediction end of this week |
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« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2009, 08:14:49 pm » |
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How could I even consider to refuse this after your help ? I will let you know my experiences with both cards with and without arc prediction end of this week Super duper! |
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« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2009, 06:17:15 pm » |
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A very brief write up of my experience, just before I am off for a week of wintersport, so remarks and questions will have to wait a bit for my answer. I compaired two sound cards from Onkyo , the 90 and the 200 ltd, and each with 44.1 files and with quad + arc prediction. I used both speakers (ob Hawthorne enabled and ob subwoofer with 5 15 inch drivers per side) and headphone (UE 10 custom, really great !). I am not really good in wording the impressions I have and the observations are biased by my preferences and equipment of course. The cards were very new and I really had to let them warm up for a few hours after swapping them in and out. Only one slot available unfortunately. The 200 sounded really horrible when cold, that did not change in these weeks. The 90 was less effected but also soundend better after a couple of hours of use. Maybe this will change with more weeks of usage. I used a set of 8 songs for the comparison, going back and forth over the days and diiferent setups. I think that the just stereo and cheaper 90 is at least as good as the more versatile and more expensive 200 ltd. With the 90 it occurred quite a few time that I forgot the task of judging and was just listening and starting other albums instead of the set of test songs. The 200 was less involving and fluid , imho. And for me the quad and arc was really superior to the 44.1, more three dimensional feel of the instruments and more realistic small details, that for me are very important. well Fidelio as I think you mentioned that the quad+arc for you is worse than the 44.1 files, you probably will doubt on my findings about the 200 card. Sorry about that Leo |
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« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2009, 09:18:24 pm » |
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Thanks Leo for the writeup  Have a nice week in the snow. Per |
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« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2009, 01:36:19 pm » |
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Thanks for the writeup m8 I didn't really mean that quad arc was worse than vanilla, but it is clearly different. What one prefers is probably a matter of taste, so I don't doubt what you write at all. Vanilla rocks more and has better rhytmic integrity, if you will, whereas quad arc has more room, space, 3d etc. (in my setup. Perhaps vanilla has better synergy with my Naim stuff). Do you think quad arc is better for rock music (you didn't say what kind of music you demoed)? So am I to understand that you think the SE-90 is the better card for stereo? That is interesting. I really love it myself, so I appreciate qualified comments about its sound from others. Thanks. |
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« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2009, 12:42:48 am » |
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Would anyone mind giving me a step by step guide as to how to install the via drivers for the an onkyo 200 so I can get auto frequency. My attempts at removing the onkyo drivers and manually installing the via haven't worked so far. The via drivers looked like they installed however the via audio deck did not find any device.  |
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« Reply #74 on: December 20, 2009, 03:28:00 am » |
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So where are all the capacitors on the cantatis then?
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