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Hi Peter,
I have a FF800 and I'll want to know if it's better to connect it directly to the firewire connection of the motherboard ( it's supply with an independant psu) or on a Pci or perhaps better a Pci e card ?
Bets regards
Bernard
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 05:37:15 pm » |
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Hi Bernard,
Take a PCI card (and not even the cheapest one). It does matter (much) for me, and I encountered the same with others.
Anyway for the 10 euro such a card costs, you can always try !
Peter
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2008, 03:03:27 pm » |
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Hi Bernard,
Take a PCI card (and not even the cheapest one). It does matter (much) for me, and I encountered the same with others.
Anyway for the 10 euro such a card costs, you can always try !
Peter
A good firewire card with Ti chipset costs 50-60 euros. The cheap one probably wont change much vs the motherboard controller. |
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2008, 02:32:31 am » |
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Hi guys, I'm a new comer onto your very interesting Forum.  Related to FireWire sound quality and chip, I've found the following info on ECHO brand website (since I'm planning to purchase an ECHO's AudioFire 4 external sound card which is a cheaper alternative than the well known RME FireFace 400 / 800). QUOTE: ****************************************************************** 3. What FireWire card do you recommend for my AudioFire?
We recommend more recently manufactured FireWire cards with a Texas Instruments chipset. If you are encountering problems with the built-in FireWire in your desktop or laptop, we suggest that you try a PCMCIA or ExpressCard FireWire card and disable the built-in FireWire.
The following FireWire chipsets have produced good results:
Texas Instruments: TSB12LV26
Texas Instruments: TSB43AB23
Texas Instruments: PTSB41LV03 (This is an older chipset and does not work well at 192K with our AudioFire 12.)
Agere: FW323-06
Agere: FW323:05
The following FireWire chipsets are not recommended:
Via: VT6306
Via: VT63061************************************************ This ECHO AudioFire 4 output S/PDIF in coaxial-RCA connector format. It can be bus powered but also an external wall block power supply is included in the box. It works well on my personal MacBook (Intel based). My business IBM laptop has no FireWire port, so I can't really comment in this case. Btw, is it possible to run XXHE on Intel based Mac? Or should I invest in a new personal laptop like Sony VAIO, ACER (both supporting FireWire and direct S/PDIF out - ACER only)? Have a nice day. |
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2008, 02:58:45 am » |
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Laurenta, thank you very much for this help. The Texas Instruments chip set indeed seems to be the best. And as said elsewhere, a good firewire interface really matters for sound.
I never heard that the Mac doesn't work (in fact for Engine#1 and #2 it just works) but since not many people use it (I think) I can't be sure just *everything* works as intended (but I wouldn't know why not).
Btw, I see in your signature that you assume that Q1 as well as the Digital Volume is fixed because of the demo version, but this is not the case. They are enabled when you use Vista/Engine#3 ...
Thanks again,
Peter
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 02:37:08 am » |
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Hi Peter and All, A compelling new FW interface product from the very professional Swiss brand WEISS: http://www.weiss.ch/afi1/afi1.htmThis could well be a very serious contender to your famous RME FireFace 800 (same price range about 1300€). However, your DAC must accept AES/EBU input (or optical ADAT; which is the rarest option; only for some Pro studio units). Cheers |
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 09:56:11 am » |
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Hi Peter and All, A compelling new FW interface product from the very professional Swiss brand WEISS: http://www.weiss.ch/afi1/afi1.htmThis could well be a very serious contender to your famous RME FireFace 800 (same price range about 1300€). However, your DAC must accept AES/EBU input (or optical ADAT; which is the rarest option; only for some Pro studio units). Cheers The one that looks intriguing to me is this one: http://www.weiss-highend.ch/vesta/index.html |
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 03:16:35 pm » |
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Hi Peter and All, A compelling new FW interface product from the very professional Swiss brand WEISS: http://www.weiss.ch/afi1/afi1.htmThis could well be a very serious contender to your famous RME FireFace 800 (same price range about 1300€). However, your DAC must accept AES/EBU input (or optical ADAT; which is the rarest option; only for some Pro studio units). Cheers The one that looks intriguing to me is this one: http://www.weiss-highend.ch/vesta/index.htmlThanks a bunch Edwards; this VESTA interface looks even simpler and better than the AFI1. I would like to know its street price..? Moreover, the Weiss' web page is listing several interesting links. I like it (now in my 'Favorites'). Thanks again and enjoy your week-end. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 05:00:17 am » |
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Hi Peter and All, A compelling new FW interface product from the very professional Swiss brand WEISS: http://www.weiss.ch/afi1/afi1.htmThis could well be a very serious contender to your famous RME FireFace 800 (same price range about 1300€). However, your DAC must accept AES/EBU input (or optical ADAT; which is the rarest option; only for some Pro studio units). Cheers any idea of the cost?? can't seem to find out what the retail is The one that looks intriguing to me is this one: http://www.weiss-highend.ch/vesta/index.html |
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0.9z-8-3a WAV/CUE files on HDDs via MB FW400>; Win7 pro ttp://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021); [XXHighEnd player Qs 7, 0, 0, 0, 0; eng 4; adaptive; scheme#3; player priority low; thread priority realtime; clock res 5ms: SFS 420  dac is 24/192 w/32bits; Play Unattended; Stop Services ticked; Wallpaper & Show Back ticked - Mirror Image unticked; Start Engine unticked;garbage collect ticked; copy files to XX-drive; *quad arc prediction upsampling*: straight contiguous:>PCI FW800 card>Fireface 800 DAC [latency 2048 samples for 176.4]; usb/ethernet/mb audio shut off @ MB |
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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 08:16:04 am » |
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 09:04:20 pm » |
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My friend has been coming over for listens and now can't wait to put something together. He has a nice system with a good turntable setup and a Sony SCD-1 like I used (I need to sell that nice thing before everyone discovers XXHE ) He's picked up external HDDs, we're looking at laptops (core2duo, 4gb ram stuff...), and now has been bouncing around trying to pick a dac. Some have said the FF800 by itself is very good, I haven't tried it cause I'm unfamiliar with the analog outputs the FF800 has... He has a BAT preamp with rca/balanced inputs,,, but I have never seen/used the "balanced" analog outputs I see on the FF800 and wouldn't know what type of cable to use? Anyway, at the moment, the piece of gear I'm leaning toward him getting is this: http://www.weiss.ch/dac2/dac2.htmIf I was in the position to buy and hadn't bought my Stello dac/stereovox dig. cable/FF800, I think this is what I'd have tried. Rumor? has it the Pro version I linked to is the same insides as the Highend version Edward linked to, and is $2500 less !!! ... anyone have any insights about this? Any other suggestions in the $2000 range? It seems fairly future proof being able to do 24/192... I'm still very happy with what I've got going on (understatement of the year), and he's almost ready just to duplicate that... but I want him to try the Weiss... so I can try it hehehe. arrggg.. more waiting Someone busted his cantilever on his cartridge and he has to pay 1300 bucks for repair... now he wants to go cheaper and get a scott nixon usb dac... I'm going to try and hold him off from that hehe I want to hear the Weiss... |
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