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« on: April 01, 2008, 02:24:24 am » |
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Have swapped between these two around 10 times now. Can't really show any big differences in my setup, maybe a LITTLE more impact in the bass in u8?
Maybe u10 sound a little more clinical?
Or, is it me who's off my game?
Any other views? Using UpsampleON, Noinvert, 0db and Q=14. ProSch-3. 44/16 material, WAV only.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2008, 02:34:42 am » |
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Hm, nah, not sure there's much difference.
Will test some more.
Mani, any thoughts?
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2008, 07:25:03 am » |
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To me u8 sounds better/smother.
u10 gives me a "headache" of mine again.
But I seem to be alone in what I hear/feel. So don't think it is important anymore to others.
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2008, 07:31:34 am » |
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So don't think it is important anymore to others. Are you crazy ? to me it is ... |
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2008, 08:54:00 am » |
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Andrey, can you tell at which settings you do this comparison ?
And can you describe for a simple soul like me i.e. in for me audible terms what you hear (as differences) ?
I assume you compare Unattended only ?
Lastly, wouldn't it be better for you to play with the Mem box checked ? (but first look whether it makes a difference at all, which you can see by the memory useage).
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 09:07:04 am » |
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To me u8 sounds better/smother.
u10 gives me a "headache" of mine again.
But I seem to be alone in what I hear/feel. So don't think it is important anymore to others.
Your not alone. I currently play music with XMplay with WASAPI output because it sounds better then the last generation builds of xxplay (sorry Peter). Not to criticise XXPlayer, but would you try XMplay as well to discuss differences in SQ between those engines. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2008, 09:21:48 am » |
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I already did that, but it doesn't play in Exclusive Mode with my soundcard (and it sounded "grey" in the mean time).
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 10:20:21 am » |
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hybride,
I have been thinking ...
What do you hear as a main difference beteen 0.9u-8 and 0.9u-10 ? Or if not 0.9-8 which you compare to, which version is that ?
If you can describe it, I can easily put back what should make that difference, and then you can try again ...
For you too counts, that checking the Mem checkbox should go back to "the" old situation ...
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 11:37:03 am » |
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I always update XXplayer when you present a new build. So i installed 0.9u-10 at the moment.
I did not do a A-B comparisons between different builds. I will do that tonight. i'll will try the 'mem' box as well.
I only stream at 16/44.1 and play with the settings Q1 and invert.
Better in this case is not an easy thing to explain and bescribe.
between 0.9u-10 and XMplay>WASAPI@EXCL_mode the last sound more musical, softer and less harsch.
Instruments sounds more real, more enjoying the consonance.
XXplayer (0.9u-10) sounds scharper with a bit more dynamics. In my setup it is a disadvantage to enjoy music.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 12:19:38 pm » |
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I already did that, but it doesn't play in Exclusive Mode with my soundcard (and it sounded "grey" in the mean time).
Mayby you should try a 18 dollar Cmedia with Dogber driver  |
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2008, 10:42:20 pm » |
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Andrey, can you tell at which settings you do this comparison ?
Priorities are both set to nothing, Q1=14, no invert, no upsample, 16/44.1, Unattended, Membox unchecked. And can you describe for a simple soul like me i.e. in for me audible terms what you hear (as differences) ?
It may sounds whatever. But I can't describe it in soundstage terms. The bass and trebles seem the same. it's other thing. It's just that physical discomfort I start to feel. It's like the left side of my head starts to shift related to the right. there... hahaha. Not sure if it helps. And yes it is less musical and less enjoyable as an outcome. I assume you compare Unattended only ?
yes Lastly, wouldn't it be better for you to play with the Mem box checked ? (but first look whether it makes a difference at all, which you can see by the memory useage).
Will try it when get back "home" tonight. Andrey |
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2008, 11:23:25 pm » |
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This is what I call "Unconsciously gnashing of teeth syndrome"...just to NAME the thing...
Will test some more Peter, and get back to you.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2008, 12:51:52 am » |
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Yeah... it's good to be perfect...
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2008, 05:06:07 am » |
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To me u8 sounds better/smother.
u10 gives me a "headache" of mine again.
But I seem to be alone in what I hear/feel. So don't think it is important anymore to others.
Ah ya, I think you're spot on most of the time. My vote is for you to keep your ears in here for all our sake. |
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2008, 07:06:57 am » |
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I tried:
1. u-8 mem unchecked
2. u-8 mem checked
3. u-10 mem unchecked
4. u-10 mem checked
1 sounds the best of all.
In 4 checking mem box cures the situation of 3 "twisting my head", but still not as good as 1 or 2.
2 sounds less smother than 1.
As I understand In my case checking mem box shouldn't change SQ because I am listening 16/44 But it does somehow.
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