Remote Desktop issues

[hudesigns]

                                              |-->audio pc
iPad -> wifi-> router -> switch []
                                              |-->music server

This is my diagram.

ZH

[PeterSt]

Is it correct to assume that since you do not have "Persist" checked, you lose the ability to change the volume or use "next" track because the LAN drops the connection?

No ...
I know how confusing this combination of settings is, but it works the other way around because you must SET things the other way around (or understand what the setting implies) :

1. Keep LAN Services ACTIVE (red). Meaning : the LAN environment is kept when booting from Normal OS into MinOS.
2. Set Persist to INACTIVE (blue). Meaning : When you go to Unattended (MinOS is implied) the LAN shuts down except for the denoted exceptions (the LAN-parts of it) like "Use Remote Desktop".

The above in different wording :
When we boot into MinOS the LAN services are not taken out hence all of the LAN will be just there.
When we start Unattended Playback the LAN is shut down (you'd want that for better SQ) because you did not tell the system to "persist" in Keeping the LAN.
Any activity requiring the LAN will start that (and shut down again if applicable).

Now we make this of it :

1. Keep LAN Services ACTIVE (red). Meaning : the LAN environment is kept when booting from Normal OS into MinOS.
2. Set Persist to ACTIVE (red). Meaning : When you go to Unattended (MinOS is implied) the LAN does not shut down.

The above in different wording :
When we boot into MinOS the LAN services are not taken out hence all of the LAN will be just there.
When we start Unattended Playback nothing changes to the status of the LAN because we told to "persist" the "keeping" state.
The LAN now will never shut down, whatever you do.
Notice that while staying in MinOS you can change the state of Persist and it will be respected (but don't change it while Unattended Playback is going on at that moment).

Again an other scenario :

1. Keep LAN Services INACTIVE (blue). Meaning : the LAN environment is cut from the OS when going from Normal OS to MinOS.
2. Set Persist to INACTIVE (blue) or ACTIVE (red) whatever you like ... it doesn't do a thing because there are no LAN services available anywhere.

The above in different wording :
When we boot into MinOS the LAN services are taken out and that can't come back, unless going to Normal OS again (where they will be "in" by standard).

Side note on this one : I am not sure whether Keep LAN = INACTIVE combines with "Use Remote Desktop", but I'm inclined to say Not.

That was all.
Best regards,
Peter

[hudesigns]

                                              |-->audio pc
iPad -> wifi-> router -> switch []
                                              |-->music server

This is my diagram

Hi Peter,
When I look at my diagram, I feel it needs further clarification.
It is how physically they are connected which is different from your usual practice because audio pc's Ethernet cable goes to Switch instead of to music pc.

From point of RD sessions, my flow is NO different from yours:
iPad -> RD -> music server -> RD -> audio pc (internet disabled via leaving Gateway field blank in adapter property)

All works properly now. Next, 2.10

Thanks,
Zheng

[hudesigns]

Peter,
I feel I need to have a summary regarding my problem of audio pc became unresponsive at the end of Unattended play under RD sessions.

1. Initially I was only doing one RD session from iPad->audio pc, or music server->audio pc.

2. Later by your diagram, I started to use two RD sessions simultaneously like most of you've been doing. iPad->music pc->audio pc

3. In both instances (under minimized OS, LAN on, Persist off), my audio pc became non-responsive after an Unattended play.

4. Final resolution: turning off internet function in audio pc by leaving Gateway field blank in Ethernet adapter properties.

Best,
Zheng

[PeterSt]

Hi Zheng - Very well done !!

I'll give this link as well, because it coincidentally / luckily has the very same solution for a very different problem :
Re: A secure way to prevent Windows 10 , updates on the audio PC

To understand better what this is about - and when you don't have a faint heart, also read this : Peter's small addition.

Best regards and thanks !
Peter

[dsm]

Is it correct to assume that since you do not have "Persist" checked, you lose the ability to change the volume or use "next" track because the LAN drops the connection?

No ...
I know how confusing this combination of settings is, but it works the other way around because you must SET things the other way around (or understand what the setting implies) :

Peter,

If I reboot the audio pc and  have "persist" unchecked in MinOS everything works as you suggest; the  cover displays and the connection works as it should in unattended. After that playlist ends and the UI returns, if I start another playlist in Unattended, the connection is lost right after the "wait for services to stop" is done and music plays. Once the music stops, I am able to reconnect.

My solution so far is to just leave persist checked and I don't have any trouble with the disconnects.

Do you know why this would work once after a reboot but after that, I would continually lose the connection? 

David

[dsm]

Update-

I removed the Gateway numbers in NormalOS like Zheng did and now everything seems to be working as it should with "persist" off.

[PeterSt]

Hi David,

Do you know why this would work once after a reboot but after that, I would continually lose the connection?

Is it possible, please, to create a new topic for this with adequate description (unless you already started a topic about this problem - which I recall vaguely, then please put this in there). Also denote in there which XXHighEnd version this is about, OK ?

I ask, because this problem is a different one , IMO.
If you don't see me respond on it today, then please retry tomorrow. I am going to find some beers right now ...

Best regards,
Peter

PS:

I removed the Gateway numbers in NormalOS like Zheng did and now everything seems to be working as it should with "persist" off.

Just saw this update. If all is fine, then don't bother, obviously. And congrats in that case !

[hudesigns]

Peter,
Occasionally I still lost connection while on RD session especially listening to the whole album in Unattended. The consequence is that I had to force reboot audio PC and then XXHE will think she is in an XP machine.

Remedy is what you told me. Change ..W10.tss to .tst. then boot into Normal OS, then play something, change back to .tss, boot into Minimized, all is good.

My question is: Is this hurting anything? Is it degrading SQ? I am worried because 2.10 sounds so good.

Best,
Zheng

[PeterSt]

My question is: Is this hurting anything? Is it degrading SQ? I am worried because 2.10 sounds so good.

Hi Zheng - Hard to say.
I occasionally need to do the same (hard reboot, though for different reasons). I am always happy that my OS booted from RAM and nothing will change to the "base" OS it is derived from.
(never mind in understanding, and I just expressed my thoughts about your worries).

What happens if you switch off the amps (to be certain no strange noises will occur) and you pull the USB cable ?
Theoretically it is possible that the Sound Engine (givens an error and) stops nicely and with that XXHighEnd is brought up and with that the connection is re-established.

Of course it is better to find the cause and "repair" that, but ...

The consequence is that I had to force reboot audio PC and then XXHE will think she is in an XP machine.

Thank you very much for sharing this !
This is quite logical but now I have a means to repeat the situation and thus the possibility to solve this in software.
Of course I can't use my RAM-OS for this, so I'd need hard reboots of the "base" OS to test it.

Best regards and thank you,
Peter