Remote Desktop issues

[hudesigns]

Dear Peter,

I tried these steps without much luck. RDC (both iOS and another windows10 machine) with Unattended play seems reeking havoc with the whole machine. Once unattended play is initiated, the following happens:

1. RDC connection is promptly disconnected without any hope to reconnect.

2. XXOSK disappears

3. The track continues to play until finish but system is not waking up

4. Mouse and keyboard lost connections to PC.

5. Once force-rebooted and open XXHE, error message "MemOrg error... try turn off Garbage Collecting" or or "engine #3 not possible..." if you try to play a song.

6. Turn off Garbage Collecting will solve the error. Now Garbage Collecting can be turned back on without any problem.

7. If XXHE is in Normal OS state and Minimize OS is clicked, error messages something like "not possible with XP.."

8. Most likely the machine needs to be power down, reboot, sometimes reboot two times, and deal with "MemOrg" "Garbage collecting" message once more to get system back to normal.

So for now I am OK with PS2 connections with Unattended, which seem more "invisible" to both PC system and SQ.

Best,
Zheng

[PeterSt]

Hello Zheng,

First off, for some W10 OSes it won't (miraculously) work in Normal OS. So best is to try this in MinOS in the first place.

Then, if you press Clear and the Playlist Area is emptied, the OS version is shown. Is this WINNT32 in your case ? I think so. I that case something else went wrong earlier on, and XXHighEnd can not detect your OS properly any more and it will be the reason that nothing works properly any more. Now :

(I assume XXHighEnd 2.09)

In your XX folder there are OSIs*.tss files. Find the OSIsW10.tss and rename that to OSIsW10.tst
Now you should see "some" W10 version again in the Cleared Playlist Area and from there you should be able to boot into MinOS and of course have activated "Use Remote Desktop" in XXHighEnd's Settings.

I think it can be so that when you successfully could play Unattendedly in MinOS (regardless RDC) and bring up XXHighEnd, you can rename the file back to .tss and you can reboot to see that now all is fine again (and W14393.0 will show in the Cleared Playlist Area). But if not, rename back to .tst and live with it ... (I have no better idea at this moment).

Anyway, does the RDC now work ?
Please notice that to have the RDC working is nothing special if you only try it in MinOS and refer to the Audio PC by means of IP address and not the PC Name.

Let me know whether it helps !
Regards,
Peter

[hudesigns]

Thanks Peter! I know I am going to have a fun night. It is definitely part of Charm of XXHE that there are so many places that can go wrong and there are as many ways to fix them. If you get it right eventually, rewards are huge. Will report back.

[hudesigns]

It's always unexpected fun! When I turned on the machine I found that xxhe lost activation. Too much mangling I guess.

1. Replaced xxhe and xxdata folders with a saved copy of 208d.
2. Re-copied over 209 updating files without "changeWP.exe" to avoid trouble.
3. Everything seemed fine both in normal OS and minimized.
4. Unfortunately "MemOrg #2..." Occurred again but after turning off garbage and turn back on trick seemed to be working.
5. Got to minimized OS state, RD started working. Playing tracks, stop, playing again. Great. THEN on iPad I turned on Unattended, hit play. My iPad immediately lost connection to xxhe player machine. Music started playing. Keyboard and mouse to xxhe machine no longer work. I had to wait music to finish. Xxhe machine popped back to Windows logon screen and keyboard and mouse started to work. At this point iPad can connect to it again. Also tried both "Persist" on and off, and behavior was same.

I wonder if I need to activate Wake-on LAN function in BIOS if there's one? Will report back again.

Best,
Zheng

[hudesigns]

Hi Peter,
1.  Solved problems with ChangeWP.exe, Reg86.exe by running them directly in the xxhe folder, then uncheck Always... Before Run.

2. RD operation seems buggy. I was able to get to unattended play without being disconnected for a while but got freezed in the end on both iPad and xxhe machine. Reqires force reboot.

3. I started to think it might be OS 10586's problem?!

4. Still got occasional "MemOrg 02..." and "Turn off Garbage..." messages. I might have to live with garbage collecting Off

Best,
Zheng

[PeterSt]

Hi again Zheng,

2. Re-copied over 209 updating files without "changeWP.exe" to avoid trouble.

1.  Solved problems with ChangeWP.exe, Reg86.exe by running them directly in the xxhe folder

Can you imagine that I have no idea what you are talking about here ?
I must have missed posts about it !

"By running them directly in the xxhe folder" ???
-> Is there anything which should run outside of it ? ... I am not aware of that.
So Yes, if this is your "mangling" then better expect that nothing works ?

I recognize from someone maybe a year ago that he had similar issues with an iPad. But as I recall this was not on the forum (and now we understand right away why it *should* be in the forum). So I can't find that back ...
But it sure was solved in the end.

But others use iPads too. So it has to be a general thing for your setup.
Btw, I think it will be solved n "rough fashion" by not shutting off the LAN at all. You can change this setting while being in MinOS (because of what you must have set in Normal OS for the LAN or otherwise you'd never have a LAN connection).

Best regards,
Peter

PS: I vaguely recall that the iPad issue has been on the forum as well.

[PeterSt]

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Using an iPAD:
The above behaviour is the reason, why it is unstable to use an iPAD to controll the audio PC directly via RDC. It works as long as your iPAD is active in this RDC task. If you change into another task during unattended playback and switch back later, you may get stuck in the blue sceen.
The reason for this is, that iOS does mutitasking but switches off the Wifi connection of every background task after about 2 minutes to save battery power. There is no way to change this behaviour of iOS, exept maybe with the newest types of iPAD, which are able to run two tasks equally, one beside of the other (I don't have one that is able to do that).
I got these infos about iOS from my son Clemens who is creating iOS apps professionally.

So, to use an iPAD directly as a remote to control the audio PC, it works well with playback in attended mode but is unstable in unattended mode.

Kind regards
Richard

[hudesigns]

Peter,

First good news, this morning I was able to use RD solely with an ipad without monitor, keyboard or mouse in Unattended mode! But during the playing, it was not possible for ipad to communicate anything at all, Alt-x or Alt-s. I had to wait for the track to finish and then after about 10 seconds, ipad resumed RD connection. All this with "Persist" being OFF. (switch "Persist" ON will freeze both RD connection and XXHE PC machine at the end of a playing, I think. Need to try more times to confirm)

The sound of music was the best ever from my meager setup #2. It was focused, warm, open, detailed with vigor. Bass notes became more active and effortless while top frequencies started to melt into the mid range. Song just became more interesting. A glimpse into what is possible.

Now back to other persisting issues. I think I started to make things more complicated but let me explain:

"By running them directly in the xxhe folder" ???

First I need to state that all these issues occured AFTER I started using RD and XXHE machine random freezes when being connected via RD. The issues being error messages "MemOrg 02.. and try turning off Garbage collecting," something about "wrong string.." and later even "not possible in XP," asking permission to run .exe program containing a check box "Always..". which happened after I re-applied 2.09 patch files in my current 2.08d folder that has been updated to 2.09 previously. You are also right about the fix for "XP.." message and display of WIN32 in cleared playlist box (rename xxW10.tss to .tst fixed it and yet to put it back to .tss)

Here is what I found out: during the first run of XXHE after applied the patch files, it will ask for permission to run a few .exe programs. But when the message box is from Win10 style then I just uncheck "Always.." box and hit Run. But the two message boxes (ChangeWP.exe and Reg86.exe) are in XXHE red border styling (see attached pic), the "Run" button does NOT work. Only option it to dismiss it which will result in messy situations.

My work around is to open XXHE folder and directly double-clicked the two program files and then I get a normal Win10 message box where I just uncheck and hit "Run". Next I started XXHE which will start without asking any questions.

I hope this makes some sense to you because for me I just found out which way it will work without understanding the internal workings.  

Just saw your latest post regarding an older quote about iPad. It explains what happened to me. But if I close RD session on iPad right after Unattended started, and open new RD session when play completely finished and it works but need to repeat many times to see if its stable...

Best,
Zheng
 

[PeterSt]

(see attached pic)

No picture, but it is currently also not possible to post a picture, I just found out !
And I am sure that your picture is important for me.

So something is wrong - working on that ! ...

Peter

[hudesigns]

Yes for some reason my jpg image uploading was denied.
ZH

[hudesigns]

I am sending you pics via email.
ZH

[PeterSt]

I am sending you pics via email.

Thank you, Zheng.

But the two message boxes (ChangeWP.exe and Reg86.exe) are in XXHE red border styling (see attached pic), the "Run" button does NOT work. Only option it to dismiss it which will result in messy situations.

This will be because you let these pass by at the initial install of XXHighEnd. This is the part with the "10 or so programs may start" (similar) and among them are ChangeWP and Reg86. So if you *there* omit to untick that checkbox, the sh*t will happen forever.
Personally I don't know a way out really, apart from reinstalling XXHighEnd. You will imply the same with renaming SettingsReset.tss to SettingsReset.tst and then restart XXHighEnd.

Now I hope this helps for this part ...

Regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

Attachments work again ...

[PeterSt]

So, to use an iPAD directly as a remote to control the audio PC, it works well with playback in attended mode but is unstable in unattended mode.

Kind regards
Richard

Thus that summarized, with an iPad you can try to leave the RD up front all the time and not start reading the news meanwhile. Anyway, you can test whether it then works, because if not, first something else is the matter.

Regards,
Peter

[hudesigns]

Hi Peter,
Just for your info that I never had RD troubles during Attended play with iPad focused on current task. All my problems so far (this past 3 days) started because of using Unattended play using iPad. I feel if I use iPad at all, I need to find out a way to reliably play Unattended. Otherwise it seems too much to give up.
Best,
Zheng