2.09 sound quality

[bodiebill]

I tried Peter's settings as far as possible on my 2-core i3 T6100:

Q1 x xQ1 = 30x40.
Q3,4,5, = 1,1,1.
SFS = 20.
ClockRes = 15ms.
Custom Filter = Highest for 705600.
no Appointment Scheme.
OSD Text = Off.
Wallpaper (front and back) On.

However apart from getting stutters, the Remote Desktop connections is killed immediately after hitting Play.

Any suggestion how I can tweak the above settings, get a bit of the advantage, without the stutters/disconnection?

Best, Dennis

[PeterSt]

Dennis,

However apart from getting stutters, de Remote Desktop connections is killed.

That won't be related to mentioned settings. Can be the "Use Remote Desktop" setting or possibly that you try this in Normal OS (W10 versions exist which do that but are OK in MinOS). Or the W10 version itself ...

If you have stuttering with these settings, then I'm afraid you'll need to back out a bit (try a lower xQ1 and see how far you can go with it, upwards). Or, try for your situation how the SFS relates (all works in combination with each other).

Regards,
Peter

[juanpmar]

Yes Peter, the sound with your latest settings is spectacular. The basses are bigger, not sure that they are also deeper, there's more detail and also the soundstage is wider and deeper. In moments I had the feeling that the upper bass invades a bit the low mids but I can not be sure, I comment it just in case it can give some clue to make an even better sound.

Anyway, I like these settings more than the ones I have until now. As I say, spectacular!

Juan

[acg]

Peter, have you listened to any ACDC with the new settings?  Wow..

Not particularly with these settings, but maybe two weeks ago 3 tracks from my Demo Gallery passed by and I wondered where the nastyness had gone (ADDC is not always the most friendly). But since I was just playing music from a larger playlist, I forgot to revisit it. So I guess I need to now !

I expect guitars with a lot of air in them and with a 2 fold more fundament and even punch. More slick too. Am I right ?

Regards,
Peter

Dirty Deeds was the album and the guitars are just like you say...but the whole presentation is so profound and spectacular and the soundstage sooo very wide and crystal clear. 

A while back I made some fancy vibration isolation stuff for the NOS1a G3 and it cleaned up the mids and highs tremendously without changing any software settings.  The change of sound was not subtle and I had to get rid of my cheap-arse speaker cable for something a bit more suitable to tame the presentation...which worked.  Anyway, these new settings combined with my anti-vibration stuff are just fabulous.

[PeterSt]

The basses are bigger, not sure that they are also deeper,

Hey Juan,

As you know I use an "open baffle" speaker. OK. Now, at some stage it started to occur to me that the oompf is now happening in about all. It is a very natural "habit" of music, but also pleasent and possibly subjective to what I like. I am now not talking about a bass instrument, but how e.g. a kick drum shows this fundament. But much more. So, at fairly moderate levels (say ~ 87dBSPL or so) for some track I felt the energy in the room, felt my woofers which is easy for me because of the open baffle thing, and started to wonder whether the excursion now not exceeds what I planned with it all. Meaning : more than I ever felt at these levels, like maybe 5mm. Just on hits and giving this lovely pressured feeling (I probably talk BS but this is how it comes across).

With each day passing I get more curious how this can be. And if I were the only one, then fine. But it looks like it works out the same for every one.

Serious warning : I can thus see the level of vastly more energy which must be going into this, while nothing changed anywhere. Say that I'd play really loud and did not expect this, something might break or overheats ?
It reminds me of an XXHighEnd version very long ago (maybe 8 years) that exhibited 16dB of more bass. It won't be that much now, but it could be interesting to see the settings of back then. And I should be able to find the forum posts about it ...

Peter

[PeterSt]

Dirty Deeds was the album

I don't know how we manage to do it, but the 3 tracks in my Demo I was talking about, are from that album.

Thank you, Anthony,
Peter

[bodiebill]

However apart from getting stutters, de Remote Desktop connections is killed.

That won't be related to mentioned settings. Can be the "Use Remote Desktop" setting or possibly that you try this in Normal OS (W10 versions exist which do that but are OK in MinOS). Or the W10 version itself ...

If you have stuttering with these settings, then I'm afraid you'll need to back out a bit (try a lower xQ1 and see how far you can go with it, upwards). Or, try for your situation how the SFS relates (all works in combination with each other).

Strangely enough, when I choose Q3,4,5, = 1,1,1 the RD connection is immediately killed after Play, but with Q3,4,5, = 0,0,0 (and the rest the same) the RD connection stays OK.
So there seems to be some relationship between the issue and the Q settings?

[PeterSt]

Strangely enough, when I choose Q3,4,5, = 1,1,1 the RD connection is immediately killed after Play, but with Q3,4,5, = 0,0,0 (and the rest the same) the RD connection stays OK.
So there seems to be some relationship between the issue and the Q settings?

Interesting, to say the least ...
Dennis, you will be using "a" Processor Core Appointment setting. The 2 numbers you have chosen represent logical cores (hyperthreaded cores included). Try to find a scheme for your processor which explicitly uses two completely physical others (example : 3-5 will always be on a different physical core than 1-2).
Please let me know the result.

Peter

[BertD]

Peter,

Thanks for the new settings! I have only listened to a few tracks but it makes me more confident to stay with v2.09

Since the upgrade from 2.07 I started to dislike the sound from my system which became rather stressed and even ugly.

Before v2.09 things were more balanced tonally and very pleasant to listen for a longer period. This came back with the new settings although a little towards the too relaxed end.

Could be that I was already used to the "stressed" situation though ...

Bert

[PeterSt]

This came back with the new settings although a little towards the too relaxed end.

Hey Bert,

I can imagine your "too relaxed" idea, but it is my advice to give this some time and explicitly watch for detail which now is there from the upper regions (the highest) and how this interacts with the less stressed sound which came fro mthe highs. In other words, how real were those highs previously and :

Could be that I was already used to the "stressed" situation though ...

that.
Otherwise it is really getting used to because the whole presentation is different as different can be. And if we talk about "right" or "wrong" then both situations (say 2.07 and 2.09) can not be right both (both wrong, yes ).

Maybe try to focus on what actually lacks. I mean, "too relaxed" could be too subjective as well. Only when it brings you a stuffed ears feeling, it will be explicitly wrong (and that too is related to what you're used to, but alas).

I'll happily receive your final verdict - or again different settings perhaps ?
Peter

[bodiebill]

However apart from getting stutters, de Remote Desktop connections is killed.

That won't be related to mentioned settings. Can be the "Use Remote Desktop" setting or possibly that you try this in Normal OS (W10 versions exist which do that but are OK in MinOS). Or the W10 version itself ...
If you have stuttering with these settings, then I'm afraid you'll need to back out a bit (try a lower xQ1 and see how far you can go with it, upwards). Or, try for your situation how the SFS relates (all works in combination with each other).

Hi Peter,

I only have 2 cores (i3 6100T) and the only core assignments I can choose are 'No Appointment' or 'Core 1-2'. I chose the latter.

It now seems that the RD problem is related to the Q5 setting: Q5=0 no problem, and Q5=1 RD connection disappears.

And as to stuttering, this seems mostly related to the xQ1 setting. I can get no higher than xQ1=3 stutterless. So now the closest I can get to your settings is:

Q1 x xQ1 = 30x3.
Q3,4,5, = 1,1,0.
SFS = 20.
ClockRes = 15ms.
Custom Filter = Highest for 705600.
Appointment Scheme Core 1-2.
OSD Text = Off.
Wallpaper (front and back) On.

Best, Dennis

[dsm]

However apart from getting stutters, de Remote Desktop connections is killed.

Hi Dennis,

You need to keep the "persist" button pressed to keep the LAN while unattended (your signature list otherwise). I also need to have  "stop W10 services" unchecked or else I run into troubles and lose connection.

Best,

David

[bodiebill]

Thanks David!
All my files are copied to WAV on a local usb drive first, so I never needed the LAN to persist. And I prefer not to, as it may have an effect on SQ.
I will try to uncheck the W10 services when I find the time...
Cheers, Dennis

[bodiebill]

update: Checking or unchecking WS 10 services does not make any difference for either problem: anything above xQ1=3 still stutters; and Q5=1 still hangs the RD connection, or even the PC. Tweaking continues.

[juanpmar]

Peter, have you listened to any ACDC with the new settings?  Wow..

Not particularly with these settings, but maybe two weeks ago 3 tracks from my Demo Gallery passed by and I wondered where the nastyness had gone (ADDC is not always the most friendly). But since I was just playing music from a larger playlist, I forgot to revisit it. So I guess I need to now !

I expect guitars with a lot of air in them and with a 2 fold more fundament and even punch. More slick too. Am I right ?

Regards,
Peter

Dirty Deeds was the album and the guitars are just like you say...but the whole presentation is so profound and spectacular and the soundstage sooo very wide and crystal clear. 

A while back I made some fancy vibration isolation stuff for the NOS1a G3 and it cleaned up the mids and highs tremendously without changing any software settings.  The change of sound was not subtle and I had to get rid of my cheap-arse speaker cable for something a bit more suitable to tame the presentation...which worked.  Anyway, these new settings combined with my anti-vibration stuff are just fabulous.

Anthony, it would be great if you told us something more about your vibration isolation stuff. With those results, it's worth knowing. Please.

Juan