Can't play with Terratec phase 24FW

[GerardA]

Hi Peter,

I installed 09Uo and get the following messages, no sound.:

The last picture shows the settings.

[PeterSt]

GerardA,

To be sure : I recall you could play before ? IOW, what worked before now doesn't ?

Or are you trying something else now ?

Did you try the normal 44.1/16 setting ?

[GerardA]

Hi Peter,

Before I could play with engine 3 and only got the message about exclusive mode.

After I instaalled 9u0 I get these messages for all the settings I tried.
If I change samplerate to something else than 44.1 I get an extra message about a wrong samplerate,
so that's not the problem I think.
The first message I showed I get too when I change the volumesetting.

BTW When I clear the playlist one song remains and I can not get it out in any way...

[PeterSt]

It shouldn't differ, but with 0.9u-0a it's the same I suppose ?

[GerardA]

BTW I also got the Invalidarg at some time.
I'll try to see if I get more out of it today.
Looks like it is worth the trouble.

[PeterSt]

Actually I don't see the difference (apart from messages) when you

a. Set the "Dac is" to 44.1/16;
b. Set the volume to -0dB;
c. Play 44.1/16 files.

Did you try that ? (but 0.9u-0a please)

[PeterSt]

Actually I don't see the difference (apart from messages)

I was just thinking ... do you still have the proper bitrate etc. (I mean, like before when it worked !) selected in the Sound Device's properties - Advanced ?
And, is that Sound Device still the Primary Device ?

Of course we are not heading for Shared Mode playback, but at least it should do what it did before ...

[GerardA]

Eureka!

I get music now.

I changed the setting to "DAC is 16 bits 44.1kHz" and I get some messages (see below) and the music starts to play. If I set the setting to 24/192 the problem as reported before happens again.
As you can see there are now less messages.
I don't know if the sound is better this way?
I can not hear it now, vacuum cleaner, hairdryer and two crying/playing children (those sundays are good for family life  )

[PeterSt]

Ok, this is what I expected. Now you only don't "need" those messages. BUT : they will stay in, because actually you want Exclusive Mode.

Now on this point currently I'm lost, because there would be no real reason that I know of that Exclusive Mode is not allowed, while Shared Mode is. The only thing which might help is the information on what Shared Mode actually uses. The big point is : it should be using the data in that 2|16|44100|176400|4 message, which just is the right data. If you have any means to check it, ... please tell me.

At this point you should try a native 96/24 file (buy one from Linn for a few euri if you don't have any) and let me know what happens.
If this works in Exclusive Mode I'd know that there must be some setting I can emulate (which would come down to Doubling and 16 to 24 which is *not* in there yet).

[GerardA]

No change, 96/24 gives the same messages, with other numbers.
Here are the pictures:

[GerardA]

Heee,

I changed the setting to 32 bits (most often) and got some new messages and it started to play.
After stop and play it started to play without messages!!!!!
Keep my fingers crossed!

And the volumecontrol of the laptop has no effect so this must be exclusive mode 

With 16bit/44kHz I can not choose the 32 bit option, with 24/96 it is possible, maybe a small change for this?

[GerardA]

Hi Peter,

To be more clear, I guess exclusive mode for the terratec is only possible if you feed it 32 bits?
And if so is it possible for you to make it an option to add the extra bits when playing a 16 bit file?

[GerardA]

Finally some oportunity to compare different modes.
I upsampled cassandra wilsons' blue light till dawn to 96/24 and to 88/24.
The 96/24 can play in exclusive mode, the 88 in shared mode.
The difference between them is that in exclusive mode I have extra small detail in the highs,
my tweeter sounds 'high end' in stead of a regular one like before.
The violins sound spectacular and when cassandra stops singing now you can hear her going one very softly.
Both versions and also 16bit 44 have a perfect bass, compared to the previous version the rhytm is back,
I was really afraid my TDL transmissionlines were ready for e-bay!

Then of course the peace is back, my wife can even do her homework while I play David Bowie, Rebel Rebel,
a song which brings back the memory of having fun with lp's, which is really back!
Even when you feel sick the music is like a medicine that soothes your soul.
(Maybe I have a fever and better stop!)

BTW I was thinking of better integration of the left and right channel, like before their was an option on a FM-tuner
to make the treble mono. Call it inter channel jitter-reduction.
Don't laugh to loud, hope I can give some fun back.

[PeterSt]

while I play David Bowie, Rebel Rebel, a song which brings back the memory of having fun with lp's, which is really back!

Might you mean the joy of lp's themselves ... you are the first saying this. Ok, whether you meant to say this or not, this is an excerpt from the first version of the Release Notes of 0.9u-0 I never put up (didn't dare) :

Yes. I'm serious. I can't help it. No matter what I play, no matter how loud I play it, each and every second it reminds me of vinyl. Did I want vinyl ? h*ll no. But this just does it. Is it good ? hahaha, for the matters of warmth, a kind of fuzzyness (controlled though now !), and getting there right with the musicians ... yes ! Did I plan this ? NO ! not this time. Not that.

The 96/24 can play in exclusive mode, the 88 in shared mode.

Ah ! a piece of the puzzle. But I'm not sure yet what to make of it, ;
Strangely enough I can just Double to 88.2/24 (which I have working here now ) while this option is not listed in the Vista Audio Properties - Advanced (like 88.2 is not there at all and I could use 88.2/16 always). There would be no difference with my internally "converted" file and your home brew created I'm afraid ...
Note that I will *not* resample to 96 because it won't be good enough (says me). Now what ? out of solutions ?

I said it before to weha ... go get yourself another soundcard ...


To the good stuff again :

BTW I was thinking of better integration of the left and right channel, like before their was an option on a FM-tuner
to make the treble mono. Call it inter channel jitter-reduction.
Don't laugh to loud, hope I can give some fun back.

This is recognizeable all over. You are not the first who (indirectly) refers to phase changes. For me this was the first noticeable thing. I wasn't sure whether it was for better or for worse back then, but since I've been playing 0.9u for over two weeks without ever wanting to go back ... it must be a good thing. Also, once you know (or think) things about better phase integration took place, you can recognize more of it. Like I said elsewhere : it even has a high degree of better bass - mid/high integration. Or put differently : although the balance between highs and bass and everything in between seem to have changed to a large degree, nothing in my mind wants to change things. It seems there's a huge amount of headroom now on these matters ... somehow.

Someday we'll understand, and I have the hunch that I will be there to witness it.
But I'm peep of course.

[GerardA]

I'm sorry I have to reply,

Did I plan this ? NO ! not this time. Not that.

This is what I planned with my Pink Triangle Anniversary SME V Frog but never achieved.
The memory of my highest enjoyment of music (next to live) goes to a simple tape of an lp played with a simple MD-pickup,

For the 88/96 I upsampled with r8brain, free and not the worst, but I'm sure you can do it better/perfect.!
But please tell us your plans because ripping all the CD's (and lp's) to 88/24 is a lot of work!

About Vista I am puzzled still, the shared 24/96 properties in my laptop I have to set with the realtek stereo mixer which is shut off by default.
If I change them I get some extra messages from you/your program.

Bass integration now is good, perfect whatever, it seems you only notice it when things are wrong.
I read a long time ago that if the treble is better the bass sounds improved too, must be happening here for sure.

What is a peep??