FIFO errors with Stealth - Clairixa - Intona

[PeterSt]

Interesting ...

I wonder whether it can be the PC somehow. But how to test that ?
I think that you bringing your PC in isn't really going to be helpful because you might have specific situations regarding grounding etc. which are different over here. Also, to do it well you must bring the NOS1a as well, and then *still* it can easily appear not to be sufficient. The only thing which seems helpful is you trying your Intona at our place, or indeed a new one (or mine) at your place. But my senses tell me from the start of this topic that it is not that. It can, but the plausibility gets less and less.
One means would work out I think : try my PC at your place.

This seems a bit rough and should also not be the approach in general, because others (like in Australia) can't do this either. But OK, when it is "a" solution for this occasion (which never happened anywhere else) why not.
Still I myself would be eager to determine the cause by other means. For example, will the Silverstone card exhibit the same ? Well, nice to know, but what if it doesn't ? And what if it does ? ... so never mind.

It can be the MoBo. Well, try an USB port at the front of the PC (trying one is sufficient). With no change it doesn't tell much (South Bridge or whatever could be malfunctioning). But with change it is helpful because it will tell that it is the MoBo indeed (and probably not the CPU, which is also a possibility).

Assumed you use the very same OS (Settings) as we all with the Stealth (which OS are you using ?) then it becomes likely it is the CPU.
Nice. Not. Not, because another USB cable helps too.

It is the MoBo;
When the Clock Tree on it is not working properly for impedances, the speed is sacrified (think retries) and this now requires a higher CPU speed to recover in time.
That such a thing exhibits in USB cables making a difference is almost in the same area (I can not explain that but I feel it). However, the same feeling/hunch would then lead to using another USB hub (like one which connects to the front ports), solving it *or* making it worse.

Bzzzz

Peter

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,

With the front usb there are no errors. So you nailed it.
And balance load is on 43 again.

What I can do next (tomorrow) try a Silverstone usb card.

Or do you have other suggestions.

regards, Arjan

[PeterSt]

Ha !

So Arjan, trying out the Silverstone won't bring much, I'd say (unless you like the sound from it better).

Question would be : what to do with this. Can you live with this situation ?
If not then I suppose we have to change your Motherboard and assume it will help. I can forget about having that MoBo credited because no one will be able to test it for these particular merits (hey, please set the processor to 720 MHz first and then notice that the USB at the back isn't working properly ... sure ... hahaha).
But it would be your right.

One hint to solve it differently : If I put up the post I just finished, you will see that you don't need the solution to this any more. But I only like to put up that post after one more listening session (and assumed I won't be drunk for the rest of my life because of "it" ... ).

Hey, thank you for your trials !
Peter

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,

Found my silverstone with Paul pang clock back put it in and it sounds not bad at all. I like it for now.

The front USB is not a real solution for me. Only for testing.

Thank you also for the help.
Maybe I will buy a second mobo as spare? Will wait for now.

Regards, Arjan

[PeterSt]

Maybe I will buy a second mobo as spare? Will wait for now.

Please don't do things without letting me know first;
With your experience together with my own from only a few days ago - about the 44100 at 8ms - there could be more going on with those MoBo's.
Plus I just realize that I have better than super contact with the technical guys from ASRock (just envision that special BIOSes are made for Phasure and you will understand).

But I must now test things myself here, meaning that I need to build another PC (no problem) with the exact same configuration (could be a problem because it requires a processor which I don't like to buy without an order for it).
So let's say that we need to hold on until another Stealth order comes in (I don't expect one within a week).

... ...

I just asked;
In 30 minutes or so the MoBo of the Stealth can be replaced. This means that you can pass by and before the coffee is finished it's done. And if it helps, then fine.
So let's think about this too.

Regards,
Peter

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,

Maybe the mobo exchange together with the b'ass upgrade?

But I am happy with the SQ I get now.

The PC seems to run cooler. I do not see the white light anymore although the SFS is low. 

regards, Arjan

[PeterSt]

Arjan,

You are not telling that the white led came up just because of using that USB port at the back ? I mean, when you higher the balanced load it sure will and you did that too. So ... ?

Regards,
Peter

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,

Without the Intona and using the mobo USB3 at SFS 120 the white light never came up.
But I did not like the SQ, to muddy bass. So I went back to the low 0.12 SFS. In the same situation no Intona and mobo USB the white light came up every 10 minutes or so.

Now with the low SFS, Intona and the Silverstone USB card I do not see the white at all coming up. So I would say the PC runs cooler now.....

regards, Arjan

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,

I open this thread again because after 3 months of no issues they just started this afternoon. I was playing some albums and all was fine and then I heard the ticks again: USB and Fifo errors. I was still using the Siverstone USB because that solved the issues last time in November.

I rebooted, but that did not help.

Weird thing, I changed to the mobo USB and that solved the issues again.

So I have no issues now anymore, but something strange is going on. Still a mobo issue somewhere?

regards

[PeterSt]

Hi Arjan,

Try to focus on currents running "over connections". Your 2nd PC (Music Server PC) might be detrimental here. Switch it off and see whether that matters. That sort of thing (out of dozens). Use mains earth vs not. Also quite crucial that middle switch (by now I forgot / don't know whether you have that connected to the "black wire" - originally not as the first "a", remember ?). That switch down (black wire connected) gives better chances.
Mains Earth switch at the back of the PC also matters (no real hints here, but it matters - and it is not necessarily important that the PC is in mains earth).

In the end a "change" must imply the now errors over the Silverstone connection (I'd say), but what change ??

Regards,
Peter

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,
It is real 'a'. Switch was done when Blaxius connectors were added.
So I will do some tests with it.
Regards

[Arjan]

Hi Peter,
Issues solved! I was doing something nobody else does: I used a Ethernet isolator between music server and audio pc. (mi 1005) Took it out of the chain!
No more USB issues and I can use the mobo usb as well. And it sound better then the Silverstone.
So bad Ethernet can give you usb errors!
Thanks Peter and regards

[PeterSt]

Hi Arjan,

Great experience !

So bad Ethernet can give you usb errors!

... it is only that I don't understand what you really want to say here. It won't be something like "My Ethernet is so bad that I needed an isolator in it", right ?

I'm afraid that you have something quite similar as just touched in the USB Noise topic, or maybe my posts from today even got you on the track ?
Anyway, Ethernet isolates itself already ... up to ...
See ? This is not 100%. Make it 100% and the "pressure" has to go elsewhere. And I suppose that in this case, somehow, your Intona had to give up.

Anyway, great that it is solved !
Best regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

Also, change Q1 to 14x1 (and not 14x10 as you might have it by now); WASAPI requires a more normal buffer size and if that's "wrong" you indeed will receive an error as if the format really is not supported (quite misleading, but I can not help that).

Peter