RDC/2.06a Issue

[boleary]

Set up a RDC connection using a Netgear Wifi Range Extender which is hard wired to the audio PC. Control PC is a laptop using RDC to connect to the audio pc. In XX settings the LAN and Persist buttons are active and were set in full OS mode in the base version and then rebooted into minimized then booted to RAM-OS. All seems to work fine and the sound, with the video card removed is great, however there are times when I hit play in unattended that the "shutting down services" message stays on too long and then I lose my RDC connection.  Apparently the LAN controller in the audio pc  gets turned off and I'm unable to reconnect using RDC. Having no control over the audio pc I wait till music stops and then have to reboot using the reset button on the audio pc. Not good. Don't know if this is related but it seems that it doesn't happen with redbook wave, but does happen with AIFF and HiRes. Not sure what to do.

[boleary]

Type of file is unrelated. It might be that I need to move the extender to a better spot but am limited cause I don't have a long network cable. Will try that on Friday as I'm just headed out of town till then.

[acg]

I have had this issue, and still have it in fact.  I just assumed it was a W10 issue.  It seems to happen less often to me when the RAM-OS disk is NOT ejected, but that could be coincidence.

[PeterSt]

Hi,

May it be helpful : I never have this issue (and RAM OS Disk is always out).

On a side note : when that popup about the to be shut down services stays too long, the connection has already been lost and the remote's screen is not refreshed (so in reality that popup has gone already).

Maybe I have read it form Anthony (acg) earlier on, but I sure have read about such a thing before.
All I can always say is : try it with a minimum of services to be shut down (just switch on in MinOS again) to find out which helps (if any). From there I may get smarter ?

Peter

[boleary]

Well, switched on W 10 services in XXHighEnd and all is well. Didn't know the Switch Off W10 Services button included LAN services since there's a separate button for those? RAM-OS ejected is no problem. Strange that with the Switch Off W10 Services button active the RDC would initially work and then it would stop working 5 minutes later.

[PeterSt]

Brian,

Still, the combination must be different. I am playing with W10 Services off ...

Do you have anything different from what you see below ? And I am not saying that you must do it like that - I'm just looking for the culprit.

Regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

PS: It was set like that when in Normal OS. And say that this requires 2.04 or later (I forgot, but at some stage and for W10 things could not be set in Normal OS and trickery had to be applied).

[boleary]

Originally my settings were exactly as in your picture and that was the worst; I'd pretty much lose the connection as soon as I played in unttended. Then, after reading the tooltip for the persist button, I ticked persist and it seemed to get a bit better, the connection might last five minutes in unattended. Now, unticking W 10 services button with persist button also active, all works, though sometimes, while playing music, I'm unable to change volume, but if I disconnect/reconnect RDC that problem gets solved. Before when I activated shutting W10 services I was never able to reconnect via RDC once the connection was lost. Hope that makes sense. Am headed out for a run and then some chores; be back in a couple of hours. Thanks for the assistance!

[boleary]

One more thing, I wonder if there isn't something in my BIOS settings that might be causing this?

[boleary]

Also not sure I understand the persist button. When it's not ticked and one is in unattended and is playing music via RDC its my understanding that the LAN is shut down. How then do you change volume or do anything while the LAN is shut down? Do you have to wait till music stops for the desktop to come back before RDC will reconnect? Sorry for being slow on this!

[boleary]

LAN is enabled in BIOS. Any other settings that might have an effect?

[PeterSt]

The Persist for Keep LAN means that when Keep LAN is active, the LAN will also stay On during Unattended Playback.
The confusing part emerges when you deactivate Keep LAN (and which is to be done when in Normal OS prior to going to MinOS) because in that situation Persist is meaningless (does nothing).

All I know is that each of these Services Settings are guaranteed (ahum ?) to work when set while in Normal OS. But better say this the other way around : nothing has been made for changing those settings while in MinOS; Side effects can be multiple (and stacking) because something which was set to shutdown in Normal OS may most probably not start working when the setting is reversed in MinOS and something which was set to stay in Normal OS may not shut down at all when the setting is reversed in MinOS.
Moral : if you want to change something regarding this, do it in Normal OS.

You once told about that "strange" connection of your music disks. I suppose this has been eliminated now (or otherwise you would not have the question in the first place ?) but maybe it is related (to possible left-overs of it ?).



Peter

[boleary]

The Persist for Keep LAN means that when Keep LAN is active, the LAN will also stay On during Unattended Playback.
The confusing part emerges when you deactivate Keep LAN (and which is to be done when in Normal OS prior to going to MinOS) because in that situation Persist is meaningless (does nothing).

Peter

Okay, and I see in your signature as in the picture you posted in reply #5 that you "Keep Lan - Not Persist.' So does that mean that when you are playing a track in unattended  your LAN in the audio PC is turned off? How then do you change volume or do anything while the track is playing? Or does any input -- change volume, stop, next track, etc. automatically turn the LAN on first?

I think at this point I should start over. By this I mean put a clean copy of W 10586 in the boot menu, update XX to 2.06 and apply all settings in full OS mode as you have them in reply #5 above.

Regarding my music disc, I have had it connected to the MB USB 3. I know this is not preferred; however, I just wanted to give RDC another try, as I had never tried RDC with the video card removed. If the sound was better with the card removed I was then either going to connect the USB3 music drive to the remote PC (laptop) USB 3 port or get a NAS, but that requires figuring out how to have the audio PC see the drive which is another area to learn about. Clearly, with video removed the sound is fantastic and I want to get this sorted out. So another question: Can I map the USB3 music drive connected to the remote PC--laptop- or must I use a NAS? 

Thanks for your patience.

[PeterSt]

Okay, and I see in your signature as in the picture you posted in reply #5 that you "Keep Lan - Not Persist.' So does that mean that when you are playing a track in unattended  your LAN in the audio PC is turned off?

No, or almost. What it means in combination with the "Use Remotre Desktop" is that all of the LAN shuts down, except for a minimalist piece that allows for RDC.

I just wanted to give RDC another try, as I had never tried RDC with the video card removed.

There is something here and it reminds me of why I did not respond to this right in the (my) morning. I am positive someone else experienced the very same, but this was not discussed on the forum and I have to look it up in email. I know who it was though, so I should be able to find it.
Or ... or it was plain easy and related to the necessity of making the connection by means of IP number and not by Computer Name. So if you're not using the IP to make the connection to, then that's it.

Can I map the USB3 music drive connected to the remote PC--laptop-

Yes you can. But you imply a cabled connection (not WiFi). So in that case, Yes. But in XXHighEnd set active "Always copy to XX Drive" (which remember, has become RAM now, the RAM-OS Disk assume).

Peter

[boleary]

Thanks Peter. I was using RDC with the computer name -RAM-OS- and just switched in full OS mode to the ip address but I have the same result. One thing that's a bit strange is that the username for RDC only works with RAM-OS\XXHE. If I just use the XXHE username it won't connect. Is RAM-OS\XXHE correct? I believe I got that name when looking for the ip address.