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« Reply #90 on: October 16, 2016, 06:32:47 pm »

That version does not exist yet. But I am working on it.

Great!
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« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2016, 01:04:40 am »

Does anyone have suggestions for a simple way to test the reversed mains polarity with the Stealth PC in the US?  I'm hoping not to have to grind pins to fit, or rewire the power cord, but maybe there is no alternative.  Also is there any danger to this at all in the US?
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« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2016, 01:27:53 am »

Hi Ramesh,

I do not know an easy way to do this, because of the ground pin... My only suggestion may sound stupid, but if I really wanted to do this in an easy way, I would buy 2 good power strips (not too expensive) and I would invert the connectors from the cable that powers one of the strips. So every component that would be connected to that power strip would have the same reversed polarity.

The interesting aspect of it is that if someone has one strip in reversed polarity and another in "standard" polarity, he could test each component with one and the other to see how that affects SQ (if it does). Some components may behave better with the reverse polarity, some may yield better SQ with the standard polarity. It could be a good way to test different configurations. 

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« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2016, 01:55:01 am »

Reverse the plug if it has 2 pins(black plug photo), otherwise buy an international plug converter(cream plug photo) and reverse that. Don't forget to mark one pin for reference with felt tip pen.

This method is good for checking all component polarities. Amazing how many manufacturers don't bother. Listen one way will have fuller sound, the other leaner.

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« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2016, 02:11:50 am »

Hi Robert,

The problem with some 2 prong connectors is that the "hot" has a small blade and the neutral a bigger one (for some components), not allowing the switching...

As for the other (the "cream" one), not having a ground pin may affect the results, no?

It would have been so wonderful if the connector was made of two half mechanisms that would allow on to loosen a screw and just do a half turn and then tighten the screw, allowing to maintain the ground but reverse the polarity... But because the ground would be at the same place would not work...

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« Reply #95 on: October 17, 2016, 02:34:51 am »

To my knowledge US plugs have 2 blades the same size. Disconnecting earth will still give you a result. But should be reconnected when correct polarity is found.
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« Reply #96 on: October 17, 2016, 02:52:02 am »

To my knowledge US plugs have 2 blades the same size. Disconnecting earth will still give you a result. But should be reconnected when correct polarity is found.
We are right. Many have the same size 2 blades, but some do not, because they are told to be "polarized", for what meaning that carries. It may have to do with the topology inside the component...

Alain
PS: Anyway I hate these plugs. Having "audiophile" cables showed me how inadequate the principle is. The wall plugs do not hold the blades tight enough when a cable is heavy so the blades are partially pulled out of the wall...


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« Reply #97 on: October 17, 2016, 09:20:38 am »

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Amazing how many manufacturers don't bother. Listen one way will have fuller sound, the other leaner.

It has been told before how hard it is for you out there to imagine how a manufacturer like from Holland and many more, just can not take that into account.
Look below;

You can see that all is completely symmetrical (with or without earth pin). This means that *because* of nothing depicting what the user (we) is going to put in how, the electrician already does not bother where the neutral is. It would be useless (for the user/consumer). This in itself means that I (manufacturer) can not take it into account and I would not even be able to test it. So where you have the hot wire on the left side, where's mine ? How is it oficially done ? had it been done that way ?
I seriously don't know and I don't think the rules exist for over here.

This means that all I can do is "everywhere the same". So all the Stealths are exactly the same. All the DAC's are also the same. And all I now tell is that it appears to me that the DAC is with reversed polarity plugged in compared to the Stealth PC. Or the other way around (which does not come down to the same, because now both are 180 degrees different all right, but both are now 180 degrees different from the amplifier I did not touch.

The meters (for audiophiles) we have for it (since maybe 50 years) measure current flowing. Uhm ... that is what I always took for granted. You moved the device over the gear and the louder the sound the worse it was.
Today I know better (I think) and what such device measured was just radiation (extremely low frequency, ELF, is how that is called and which is 50Hz or 60Hz).
So when things are connected "wrongly" all radiates as hell.

This field is very large and can't be layed out in one post. Also, even with measuring devices for this and the knowledge how all has been built up (I mean, internally like in-DAC) it takes many hours to find the best setup for one general situation only (like PC in Mains Earth, but DAC not). Really !

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« Reply #98 on: October 17, 2016, 10:01:40 am »

Gosh that's a nightmare Peter. In sunny New Zealand we have this plug. Only goes in one way, but even in NZ a certain amplifier manufacturer got it wrong polarity wise.

We do have 240volts at 10amps running so have to be careful!!!

No bad feelings intended.

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« Reply #99 on: October 17, 2016, 11:08:54 am »

Hi Peter,

In Canada and my guess is that it is the same in the U.S., when there is 3 prongs, the position of the "hot" wire is always the same compared to the ground (it is the small blade).

So when the ground pin is down (it depicts 2 "eyes" and the "mouth"), the "hot" is the smaller right eye and the neutral is the left eye.

Of course this is standard for domestic appliances because there are other NEMA plugs that have the 2 blades the same and I suppose it means that there is no dedicated way to plug the device.

This, provided that the electrician tied the right wire in the wall plug... There is a tool that one can buy here (not expensive) and if has a set of lights that indicates if all is connected correctly or not.

But then... How do one wires a IEC plug at the other end ? There must be a certain rule, depending if we are talking about 120V (hot and neutral) or 240V (hot + hot + ground)... Maybe it does not matter with a switching PSU, but does it for others ?

I agree: this is a nightmare...

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« Reply #100 on: October 17, 2016, 12:34:54 pm »

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or 240V (hot + hot + ground)

This is still hot + neutral + ground (earth). How this is done varies wildly (per country and in some countries it varies in itself (like in the UK 5 means exist, IIRC)). If it were hot+hot I think the polarity would not matter over here; but it does just the same. evil

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« Reply #101 on: October 17, 2016, 01:06:54 pm »

Hi Peter,

If you look at the typical electrical panel that we have here in Canada, you will see that each of the 2 tracks carries 120 volts. When 240V is required, the 240V breaker has twice the size o a regular 120V breaker, so it overlaps the 2 tracks, each of them going into a different wire.

Maybe it is just a matter of using the correct words to describe this, but a cable connected to a 240V breaker has 3 wires: 2 "hot" wires and the "ground". I know because I have tested some of them when installing a heating radiator (it requires 240V) here.

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« Reply #102 on: October 17, 2016, 05:35:07 pm »

When we do such a thing, we have 400V. Happy Happy

It is not easy to find a good WikiPedia page about this. Yeah, Dutch ones like this : https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driefasenspanning
but the "English version of that" already comes up with this far more vague one : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase.
Anyway, for the English version concentrate on this phrase :

such as a 230/400 V system which provides 230 V between the neutral (centre hub) and any one of the phases

Side note : I am not sure whether really everybody has access to the two phase (or even three phase) system, but I'd say yes because often "higher current" apparatus require it (think electrical kitchen stove). And while we all might have acces to it, we mostly do not use it.
Below a plug for it.

Regards,
Peter


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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
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Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #103 on: October 19, 2016, 08:07:43 am »

Expanding Ram drive from 15g to 25g works and definitely sounds better.

Those who havn't done this and have 32g Ram do it now.

I've reverted DRAM back to Auto as some 24/96 tracks skipped mid song. Mind you not sure if this was the issue.

New suggested Peter's 14393 settings do work for the better also on page 5 of this thread.

So few comments I wonder what some people are doing!!!!

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« Reply #104 on: October 19, 2016, 04:15:02 pm »

Robert (and others)

I've read about this "expanding" the RAM-OS.  What is the process for doing this?  I have sufficient disk space and memory.

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