RDC – Minimized problem

[Stanray]

I now have the following setup:

Tablet (RDC) <-> WiFi <-> Router (dedicated, not  connected to internet) <-> LAN cable <-> MusicPC (RDC) <-> LAN cable (crossed) <-> AudioPC.

When the AudioPC is in normal OS all works fine, but when the AudioPC is booted into minimized OS, RDC can’t connect anymore from the MusicPC to the AudioPC (connection tablet (WiFi) <-> MusicPC works fine). When booting back into normal OS, I first get the message on the MusicPC “network discovery and file sharing are turned off”. Turning this on restores the RDC connection.
 
Both computers are on Windows 10 (586.0 and 586.xx).

“Keep LAN connection”, “Persist” and “use RDC” are “on”.

Any idea what’s wrong here.

Regards,
Stanley

[PeterSt]

Hi Stanley,

What most probably is wrong here is that you use Windows 10 for "work". Understand ?
You're asking for losing all of your (music) data, on the Music Server PC.

Put in other words :
You are quite challenging in using Windows 10 for anything other than playing music and we just as well can say that it is not supported. Well, that is harsh, but there's so much wrong with W10 that we all can not even attempt to find out what is wrong and how to solve etc.

So make that server a W8.1 or W8 or W7 or ...

Regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

I was reading this again :

When booting back into normal OS, I first get the message on the MusicPC “network discovery and file sharing are turned off”.

Doesn't really make sense, does it ?
Emphasis is mine.

Peter

[Stanray]

I was reading this again :

When booting back into normal OS, I first get the message on the MusicPC “network discovery and file sharing are turned off”.

Doesn't really make sense, does it ?
Emphasis is mine.

Peter

 
Not really Peter, but it was rather late when I posted this.

Excusi!

Stanley

[Stanray]

So make that server a W8.1 or W8 or W7 or ...

Ok, will do.

Thanks Peter

[PeterSt]

Stanley, hmm ...

I thought it could be appriciated as "blaming" BUT ...
what I never expected is that you made a writing mistake there. So did you, or do I still not understand ?

What I meant to say was :
Windows 10 is so much flawed that indeed it can be so (in my vision) that the remote (your music server) comes up with that message. So I did not try to tell that you did not make much sense, but that W10 does not.

But I now understand that it is you after all ?
haha

Please notice :
If you indeed meant the Audio PC coming up with that message, than at this moment I see no real reason to change the OS of your Music Server PC. At least there's nothing explicitly wrong, now. W10 on the Music Server side can still be the cause of your issue, but careful - because that other topic of Bert looks mighty much like it (and we don't use W10 on the remotes = Music Server). Ok ?

Regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

Stanley,

When booting back into normal OS, I first get the message on the MusicPC “network discovery and file sharing are turned off”. Turning this on restores the RDC connection.

Can't it be so that you shut off too much when going to MinOS ?
I never tried it, but supposed you do NOT activate "Use Remote Desktop", you are in MinOS and then think ... okayy, let's turn that on because RDC does not work.
This would be too late, I'm sure. It is only that when back in Normal OS this message is strange.

Anyway, did you try it is mild as possible ? So keep LAN and all except for what's needed to go into MinOS in the first place (Stop Remaining Services only, I'd say) and also activate Keep WiFi-Direct Services).
If it then works, you can go back to Normal OS and shut down something, go to MinOS and retry. Etc.

If you find something, let me know ...
Peter


PS: I recall awkward things (in W8 already or even W7) when you use the LAN through a "Home network". You aren't doing that, right ? I forgot a bit, but avoid all with "Home" in it.

[Stanray]

Stanley, hmm ...

I thought it could be appriciated as "blaming" BUT ...
what I never expected is that you made a writing mistake there. So did you, or do I still not understand ?

What I meant to say was :
Windows 10 is so much flawed that indeed it can be so (in my vision) that the remote (your music server) comes up with that message. So I did not try to tell that you did not make much sense, but that W10 does not.

But I now understand that it is you after all ?
haha

Please notice :
If you indeed meant the Audio PC coming up with that message, than at this moment I see no real reason to change the OS of your Music Server PC. At least there's nothing explicitly wrong, now. W10 on the Music Server side can still be the cause of your issue, but careful - because that other topic of Bert looks mighty much like it (and we don't use W10 on the remotes = Music Server). Ok ?

Hi Peter,

In the mean time, before (I read) your latest posts, I installed Windows 7 and the issues stay, or even get worse. It all has to do with me not really understanding how to properly setup a network.

What happens now is that when the PC's reboot, the network is gone and I get this message "network discovery and file sharing are turned off". This happens on BOTH pc's (so there springs the confusion about "on the AudioPC or on the MusicPC".

I haven't been able to go into minimized OS, because in normal OS I have the issue that when I play music unattended the RDC connection gets lost (which didn't happen when Windows10 was on the MusicPC).

So a lot (or all) has to do with the "white spot" in my brain when it comes to networking (with pc's that is).

Do I need to set up a "private" or "public" network?

Why does the network discovery shuts off after rebooting?

Why is the RDC lost when XXHE plays unattended?

(all this is in normal OS, not yet tried minimized)
 


Regards,
Stanley
     

[PeterSt]

Hey Stanley,

Why is the RDC lost when XXHE plays unattended?

That should only be because of Use Remote Desktop is not active (in XXHE Settings).

Why does the network discovery shuts off after rebooting?

It shouldn't.
What I coincidentally saw myself a few days back, is that when a new modem is installed (think DSL) that Windows 7 starts nagging about "what type of network do you want to use". I just never answer that, because it should be OK to begin with (and it is). But this looks a bit to your situation when you reboot.
Can't it be something with your router ?

Normally the Network Discovery is "in" your Network Adapter (somewhere in Network Center you can find them - those large rectangle entries/buttons). What to do with that ? no idea. But it makes me think of network inerface drivers not installed properly ?

Difficult ...

Peter

[PeterSt]

Stanely,

Any further on this ?

What I recall, especially from 10586(.0) is that you need to switch off the Firewall. Or was it on ? I forgot (but change its state and write down how you found it at first); without that RDC did not want to work.

For the Remote (your Windows 7 now) all is too long ago for me, but a bit off Googling tells me that there the Firewall must be DISabled. At least I see this passing by as a reason why the Filesharing discovery etc. resets itself.

Side note : It is a bit more detailed, because the Firewall has been designed to be On, obviously. Next though it is the idea that connections allowed are explicitly denoted in there (I don't use this). And there's some more to that - nothing for you perhaps.

Now I hope this helps !
Peter

[Stanray]

Hi Peter,

Yes, I have been testing and googling and I re-entered the IP-adresses of the network adapters, and disabled the Firewalls.

All the network and RDC connections seem to work now, but only in normal OS and Attended. As soon as I play Unattended the AudioPC gets disconnected from the network and also (because of) RDC is lost. Only rebooting the AudioPC brings it back in the network.

Now I will have to leave for social obligations. I will look again tomorrow night.

Thanks for now.

Stanley 

[PeterSt]

Stanley, what I would do as first next, is make everything work in Normal OS, then go to MinOS and retry.

I have vague memory that I ran into the same. And for 100% sure 10240 did not want to RDC at all in Normal OS (the 10240 on the Audio PC) but it worked fine in MinOS. Besides the "go figure" it might work for you too ?

Peter

[AlainGr]

Hi Stanley,

When you are playing unattended, are you in Normal or Minimized OS ? I now recall that disconnection was happening when attempting to play unattended in Normal OS mode... This could probably be because some processes (that are normally shut down in Minimized OS mode) are having this consequence... ?

I have to admit that I ensure Defender and the Firewall are not active though...

Regards,

Alain

[Stanray]

Peter, Alain,

I just returned and had a quick look. You're right. In minimized all is working fine!

I got stuck in my "logic" that first all should work in normal OS-attended, then in normal OS-unattended and then go to minimized and try the same.

But unattended-minimized seems to work just fine.

I will do further tests tomorrow, but for now it looks promising.

Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Stanley

[AlainGr]

Hi Stanley,

I am happy that things work for you

It is certain that a process of some sort (or more than one) is responsible for that behavior under Normal OS, but once in Minimized it is stopped so a different behavior

Regards,

Alain