10074 and the Music Root

[acg]

Hi Peter,

I have tried the things that you suggested, and am back to Unattended play.  Firstly I played back from files on a hard drive in the XXHEpc and I had the same issues as before, namely a song finishes and then the next one fails to start (I have to press Alt-? for music to restart or to bring back XXHE).

Then I tried the logging.  Not possible, at least I could not figure out how to get a good result.  The logging causes stuttering of the music and when when I raise the SFS to a level that stops the stuttering the next song plays on as it is supposed to, so it is pointless I think because the logging is affecting the operation of the playback.  Please correct me otherwise.

Today I played maybe a half a dozen albums until I ran into one that did the stopping:  Tame Impala "Currents".  I decided to look more closely into the behaviour when I restarted the music by pressing Alt-N and realised that when playback was restarted after a stop that it was not the next song that played, but the song three down (i.e. if it stopped on track 6 Alt-N would make Track 9 play next).  This album had two or perhaps three stops in it.

Does this help at all?

Regards,

Anthony

[PeterSt]

Hi Anthony,

I guess it needs some sitting back on your side to think over how the approach should be. Here's my attempt, based on your data :

First off, I think you sort of claimed that highering the SFS (or whatever exactly) surely did help some (album). I don't think you said that explicitly (so please do) but it was implied.

From this follows that theoretically highering even more, could help the album(s) which now don't play.
Obviously that does not help or otherwise you'd have told so (I assume).
From *that* now follows that you can indeed higher the SFS to say 10 (but over here 2 would also do it) in order to let the logging work. And if not with 10 than with 60 etc.
Lastly, if that all does not allow to let the logging work (the Playback, actually), your problem is just way severe. But I expcet that the logging will work.

?

Peter

PS: Alt-N requires some experience, especially in the not-so-behaving environment. It can happen easily to me as well, hence it doesn't tell much when tracks are skipped in between. Say it is "buggy". So I wouldn't put real value to that.

[acg]

I think that any album that I have had trouble with will play when SFS = 0.20, maybe even as low SFS=0.15, I can't really remember.  Logging works at these levels that enable the album to play properly, whether that be 0.15 or 0.20.

I will keep an eye out tomorrow and check this with any problem albums encounter.

[acg]

Start that Playlist (at this first track), wait until music stops (and XXHighEnd comes up again, I'd say) and then grab the log files.

Hi Peter,

I had the situation today where an album played and stopped as discussed in this thread, and then I turned on logging and played the album again at I had no stuttering problems.  The log files are attached.  I could not find any X3 and X3PB log files at all, but did find *.log files in the TemporaryData folder on a RAMdisk.

Anthony

[PeterSt]

Hello Anthony,

Your log files are fine, but I can not use them because nothing went wrong (as you told).

Regards,
Peter

[acg]

Hello Anthony,

Your log files are fine, but I can not use them because nothing went wrong (as you told).

Regards,
Peter

Well, the music stopped early and the computer sat there for a while with a blank screen until I pressed Alt-X to get back into XXHE.

[PeterSt]

I had the situation today where an album played and stopped as discussed in this thread, and then I turned on logging

Please be clear ?
Logging is of no use when it is turned on after the event. I'm sure you understand that. And *thus* I don't understand what you want (me to do) now ?


Peter

[acg]

I had the situation today where an album played and stopped as discussed in this thread, and then I turned on logging

Please be clear ?
Logging is of no use when it is turned on after the event. I'm sure you understand that. And *thus* I don't understand what you want (me to do) now ?


Peter

Yes, logging was turned on for the event.  I played the album this morning and it stopped on me, so I turned on logging and pressed play again and the event happened again while the logging was turned on.  You now have those files.  Sorry to not be clear.

[PeterSt]

Anthony,

OK, thanks.

Before I proceed can you explain this to me (with the notice I may misinterpret something again) :

It has been in order that highering your SFS helps the problem. So, a couple of days later you run into the problem again, and if I see right your SFS is at 0.12.
Why, if you know the problem is caused by a too low SFS in the first place ?

If you, for fun, look into your X3 log file, you can see the repetetive procedure each 0.024 seconds. Do you know how SHORT that is ? Normally that wouldn't even allow to write that log data within that period of time, continuously. Meaning : already for that I don't trust what's happening, no matter you, obviously, will say that it was exactly the same as without the logging.

Show me similar with an SFS of 2 or higher and I won't blame your system. Is that OK with you ?

Regards,
Peter

PS: I may also wonder how you lasted so many days with this low SFS (did you ??) while at first (start of this topic) you could let fail about everything (that's how I read it). Shed some light if possible ...

[PeterSt]

And Anthony, if I see it right, then this is HighRes (24/176400 I'd say). Now all your bets are off because this is way (way) more hammering on everything on the "reading" side of matters.

Peter

[acg]

And Anthony, if I see it right, then this is HighRes (24/176400 I'd say). Now all your bets are off because this is way (way) more hammering on everything on the "reading" side of matters.

Peter

Yes, I think that album is hires...I'd completely forgotten.

[acg]

Anthony,

OK, thanks.

Before I proceed can you explain this to me (with the notice I may misinterpret something again) :

It has been in order that highering your SFS helps the problem. So, a couple of days later you run into the problem again, and if I see right your SFS is at 0.12.
Why, if you know the problem is caused by a too low SFS in the first place ?

If you, for fun, look into your X3 log file, you can see the repetetive procedure each 0.024 seconds. Do you know how SHORT that is ? Normally that wouldn't even allow to write that log data within that period of time, continuously. Meaning : already for that I don't trust what's happening, no matter you, obviously, will say that it was exactly the same as without the logging.

Show me similar with an SFS of 2 or higher and I won't blame your system. Is that OK with you ?

Regards,
Peter

PS: I may also wonder how you lasted so many days with this low SFS (did you ??) while at first (start of this topic) you could let fail about everything (that's how I read it). Shed some light if possible ...

Most albums play just fine with SFS at 0.09 or 0.12.  There are just some that stop after a song or two or three, maybe a quarter or less of the albums I try (I have not kept track of the percentage).  I don't know for sure that the problem is caused by the too low SFS, I just know that some albums don't work while most albums do work.

I will do the logging of that album with the higher SFS higher tomorrow and send the files across.

Thanks,

Anthony

[PeterSt]

Ok, "looking forward" - haha

Maybe you recall that the other day I responded to someone about HiRes and what happens after I played such an album (or a couple of tracks of it) - always at the limits of course ...
After that my PC is out of order for maybe over a minute (not responsive). So, in my case it is able to do all for Playback, but I guess things stack up so much that when playback stops it needs to catch breath for a while. Understand ?
So I was thinking about a new track, implying catching breath and now that taking priority, perhaps.

Now I don't hear you say that problem albums are always HiRes, but to be honest I can play them unnoticed (or a few tracks) because they're in my Demo Gallery etc. and I just select a few nice pictures, so to speak.
But *if* you can recognize it's always about Hires ... don't hesitate to admit it.

One other thing :
I think I saw you did not use Coverart for that particular (HiRes) Album. Why ?
I'm hinting a bit to other problems I found for 10074 (only) and which could imply anomalies, seen by the Coverart not showing. If that is your case too, then maybe it is virtually solved (over here it is since two days).

Thanks,
Peter

[acg]

Ok, "looking forward" - haha

Maybe you recall that the other day I responded to someone about HiRes and what happens after I played such an album (or a couple of tracks of it) - always at the limits of course ...
After that my PC is out of order for maybe over a minute (not responsive). So, in my case it is able to do all for Playback, but I guess things stack up so much that when playback stops it needs to catch breath for a while. Understand ?
So I was thinking about a new track, implying catching breath and now that taking priority, perhaps.

Now I don't hear you say that problem albums are always HiRes, but to be honest I can play them unnoticed (or a few tracks) because they're in my Demo Gallery etc. and I just select a few nice pictures, so to speak.
But *if* you can recognize it's always about Hires ... don't hesitate to admit it.

One other thing :
I think I saw you did not use Coverart for that particular (HiRes) Album. Why ?
I'm hinting a bit to other problems I found for 10074 (only) and which could imply anomalies, seen by the Coverart not showing. If that is your case too, then maybe it is virtually solved (over here it is since two days).

Thanks,
Peter

I think this is the only hi-res album that I have had an issue with...I think...I don't have many.  No coverart because the album was a download and none came with it, and I have been too lazy to download one from the net, although I should do that.

The Neil Young and Daft Punk were both cd rips.

[acg]

If you, for fun, look into your X3 log file, you can see the repetetive procedure each 0.024 seconds. Do you know how SHORT that is ? Normally that wouldn't even allow to write that log data within that period of time, continuously. Meaning : already for that I don't trust what's happening, no matter you, obviously, will say that it was exactly the same as without the logging.

Show me similar with an SFS of 2 or higher and I won't blame your system. Is that OK with you ?

Hi Peter,

I re-played that MJ album today and logged the results (see attached file).  Note that with SFS=2 the entire album played through and XXHE started up again at the end of it.

Regards,

Anthony