Windows 10 - my Personal Verdict

[Scroobius]

.......... does this mean that the hard drive clones you anticipate providing for us will use W10-10074?

............... but of course !
And I planned that all along (that is why my sentence in the topic concerned sneaked in the "or more" (OSes)).

Phew that is a relief as by a clear margin 10074 is the best that I have heard here on my system (having heard the others).

Paul

[PeterSt]

I just tried the 10586.0 in Normal OS, with Q5=2, Unattended, and it is the best digital music I ever heard.

See below for the file I payed.

[jhmvl]

Haha, joki is among us 

Hans

[fmanheck]

I don't post much here but I am compelled and must totally agree with Peter and Gerard about poor recording quality on Adele's albums.

It is really sad about the recording quality and techniques used in mastering Adele's albums. Totally compressed with no dynamic range. Totally muddy sound and I was unable to listen to more than 2 songs before moving on.

I was hoping for better with 25, but the sound is absolutely dismal and pretty much unlistenable except on a cheap radio or MP3(perhaps the engineer's market of choice).

Also makes me wonder if the artist is so removed from the process she does not know how poor it sounds on a system with good resolution.

Even the NOS1a is not going to make up for a poor recording, or at least I will never take the time to adjust settings to try improve what should have taken place in the studio.

I do enjoy Adele's voice but for now I can only recommend her Live at the Royal Alpert Hall. That is actually pretty decent.

[Robert]

Also makes me wonder if the artist is so removed from the process she does not know how poor it sounds on a system with good resolution.

Agree, in fact she is not alone quite a number of musicians have no or only an ipod for playback. Playing an instrument or singing is their hobby not playback equipment. I could also add sound engineers both live and studio.

When some hear my system they are staggered that you can in fact get some resemblance of the sound they make that is quite reasonable to listen to.

I know a Cello player who has been in the local orchestra for 20 years and still does not own a stereo. She prefers the real sound she is immersed in and doesn't bother to replicate it in the home. Still with the fact you have the real sound as a reference point you would think the muscian would be consulted as to the recording quality.

I guess Adele is at the whim of the recording company who determine the sound versus max sales return.

Robert

[Scroobius]

My cousin is a professional musician but not a wealthy one so he is also the recording engineer for the CD's he has made of his group (with himself singing and performing).

He listened to his CD on my system and was astonished at one point to hear himself "slurp" into the microphone. He thought he had edited out all the nasties but had not heard that one before.

Paul

[GerardA]

I tried Q5 = 2 but won't comment!
Everybody should try for them selves...

[christoffe]

I tried Q5 = 2 but won't comment!
Everybody should try for them selves...

Hi,

since the beginning with W10 (August) the setting of Q5 = 2 here, and the SQ is great
But, every system is different.

Joachim

[christoffe]

I don't post much here but I am compelled and must totally agree with Peter and Gerard about poor recording quality on Adele's albums.

Hi,

voices are the true/real challenge of a system, and Adele sounds not bad here. All voices on my system are a real pleasure. As I wrote before, amplification matters.

Joachim

[PeterSt]

I tried Q5 = 2 but won't comment!
Everybody should try for them selves...

since the beginning with W10 (August) the setting of Q5 = 2 here, and the SQ is great
But, every system is different.

True, Joachim.
But when suddenly our systems are going to make such a difference between us, something is not right in the base. In the end it is just Statistics you know, though dangerous a little. It happened with W7-RTM, W7-SP1 until I got it nailed again W8 for a year with piles of effort from everybody and now W10 when beyond 10074.

So you see, the problem is that those who like 10586(.0), like it for not-so-justified reasons. They never tried 10074 or they can't use 10074 in well fashion.

When is someone going to write something negative about 10074 ? I am waiting ...

Systems are different, Yes. But it should be clear (and should have occurred to us) that we as a group achieve consensus almost always, no matter that this seems impossible.

Meanwhile I can only encourage people to try 10586.0 (I have a download available - just send me an email). Not to waste your time, but to see whether 10586.0 *is* the better one. That too is a matter of statistics. The way to find out is a bit tough though.

Regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

If I may ... about the Adele's of this world ...

It surely will depend on the "pressing", but I don't think the Adele's are very much compressed. Of course, about everything is compressed, but to say it is "extra" in this case, ... not that I can see.

I have two 19's; one is 3dB better than what I set as average and the other is 4.5dB better.
The 21 I have is 1.5dB worse than the average and I won't regard that super bad (6dB worse is, in my book).

I just played both albums for a couple of minutes and both sound fine (10074); just a woman (nicely) singing.
No way I could do that a year ago; shrill voice all over.
But exactly that is my challenge. And Krall is fine for several years already (also a challenge but apparently more easy).

Peter

PS: I just obtained Hello from Tidal (this is a single track "album") and it is 1.5dB worse for compression. At 1:00 I stopped the 4:55 track because I don't like to (cope with) goose bumps early in the morning.

[christoffe]

Hi,
correct, we all have different systems and personnel preferences ....... .

First another item, the sound in my room is "lightyears" away from the sound of  a live concert. (I was in a “rock performance” last Saturday)

At present I’m playing music with W10-10240  - I know =he, he, he - , XXH 2.02 on a RAM disc and an external MinOS program.  Listen to this SQ is a pleasure for many hours (without any fatigue) , even with higher SPLs. Voices and instruments are in acoustical size near to live impressions. (voices are a tad to big)

Started listening with 10586.0, XXH 2.03 in MinOs with my common records last night.

The sound hearing is from the listening position of the mastering engineer. More details, less timbre, very analytical, depth of the room image is very small. Voices and instruments are in acoustical size to small. After a couple of minutes I had to decrease the SPL to 65dB(A).
What I’m missing here is the acoustical size (reverberation)  of  the instruments and voices. This combination (OS + XXH) seems to be .......... .

Maybe I have to start the fight with the installation of 10074. My main problem is, that I shut down the PC every night.

Joachim

[PeterSt]

More details, less timbre, very analytical, depth of the room image is very small. Voices and instruments are in acoustical size to small. After a couple of minutes I had to decrease the SPL to 65dB(A).
What I’m missing here is the acoustical size (reverberation)  of  the instruments and voices.

You see, you can describe exactly what I am perceiving from it. it is only that you are better with the wording or general description.
With your description as a base, I can do it too now (because now people will understand) :

It sounds too far away and completely flat.
It isn't doing anything.
All is detached from eachother (this will be the "no music" thing).
There's huge gaps in the frequency spectrum (hard to describe).
There's so much nothing that you don't know what you are doing in that room with sounds, to begin with.
Each individual sound is cold as stone (read : where is the wood = timbre etc.).
Music should be sucking in. This is blowing you away.

It is just literally nothing.

Thank you Joachim,
Peter

[PeterSt]

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Joachim,

I would like to encourage you (and possibly you are not the only one) to re-try with your laptop and describe what happens; possibly it can be solved.
But what I really want to say is :

It is very well possible that 2.03 does not kill your laptop when going to MinOS. That is, I recall that this was the problem. Quite some things changed there, necessary for 10240 and beyond.

Please open a new topic for this; I am prepared to spend time on it.

Peter

[PeterSt]

Also makes me wonder if the artist is so removed from the process she does not know how poor it sounds on a system with good resolution.

Hey You

Despite what I said about Adele, it is IMO true that artists (far most of them) don't care a hoot about music quality. It has been said sort of, but why would a musical artist be interested in high quality music ?
It is just not the same thing. Or maybe it is even challenged for :

When I'm this musical artist, I'm in this larger hall with my own amplification all right, but which by guarantee can't be anything good. Say it just does not exist (at least not out of the box). So as the artist I give up on that ?
No, I just don't even start it;

I have my guitar and with some friends I start a nice band and when the click is there it exists a year after still and maybe I produce an album.
Cheap-ish of course because I have no money for it.

My hobby at home is not even cooking because I am never there to cook because of the performances each night. Anyway I dont have nice speakers at home as well. It is not my hobby.
Playing the guitar is.

In the end I can not help it really that I went along with a singer of superp level and that my friend next door is able to write such good songs that every listener starts to complain that the SQ of the recording is so unnecessary poor and it is a waste.

And I ? I play the guitar and it is my joy for life.


Something like that.