SQ of W10 build 10586

[christoffe]

Hi,

great disappointment. Voices are one of the most difficult sources for a replay.
Played tracks from David Crosby, Al Jarreau, Caroline Anderson.
The voices are flat, no volume and much less timbre, no room filling sound.
Had to go back to 10240, and the house rocks again.

Joachim

[PeterSt]

Hi Joachim,

I refrained from making comments about 10240 (because you would jump in with false "counter alarms") but :

over here :

10240 sounds like a drag and is unlistenable;
10565 is very close to 10074 and I'd say better.
10586 I don't know yet.

But you see ... you are working in a for us "illegal" situation. Your remarks about SQ are totally useless to us all (even to yourself, actually).

I already had to close a topic because you kept on "going" ... please let this one be and recognize that what you do is strange, but IF you do it anyway, now you should refrain from any comments.

Deal ?

I most certainly do not want to shut you up, but we can not utilize/exploit the comments. We need 2.03 first and "our MinOS".


Best regards and in itself highly appreciated that you share !
Peter

[PeterSt]

Another thing is that I most cincerely hope that you are wrong for the normal situation (with XXHE 2.03). But of course you can turn up to be correct.
Actually maybe I am afraid you are ...

But hey, if so, 10565 is doing quite well (also for usability of the OS itself in contrary to 10240). And as we know by now, in the end nothing expires on Sept 2, 2015.

ha

[doublelife]

Hi All,

I'm new here but you'll be hearing more from me when I finally get my NOS1a ordered, delivered and burnt in....

In the meantime, can anybody post a reliable download link for ISO of 10565?

Thanks,
Paul

[PeterSt]

Hey there Paul ! (and welcome)

Why 10565 ?

Look in this post for the latest (10586) :
Re: W10 Version 1511 (Build 10586.3) installed.

10565 I don't know any more but if really needed I suppose I can find it again ...

Best regards,
Peter

[doublelife]

Peter,

Just that you mentioned that 10565 seemed as good or better than 10074 and we don't have much info on SQ of 10586.

Paul

[PeterSt]

OK Paul. But that info will come soon after XXHighEnd 2.03 is up.

Please notice that 10565 is an expiring build (stops working July 2016). 10586 is not.

Peter

[Diede]

Hi all,

I’ve gone through the different W10 OS builds, I’ve got them all installed on swappable SSD’s, and here are my findings:

10240 sounds like a drag and is unlistenable;
10565 is very close to 10074 and I'd say better.

I totally agree with this.

•   Build 10074: neutral in every way and sounds superb.
•   Build 10240: overall balance is OK, but a lot of smearing, and becomes very annoying after a couple of minutes.
•   Build 10565: very good, similar to 10074, but a bit more 'alive', 'magical' in comparison. Difficult to explain, but the best of all W10 builds so far.
•   Build 10586: probably the worst so far. Some smearing, but less than 10240. The overall balance is not good however. Bass and mid-bass are a few db down, voices sound hollow, and effects on voices are over accentuated.
 
Mind you, I have made this comparison with XXHE 2.02, so no MinOs yet for the last builds. I did shut down most of the Windows services manually, but this doesn’t go as far as MinOs obviously.
As soon as XXHE 2.03 gets out I’ll report again.

It would have been nice to use a more ‘official’ build, but I’m very happy with the sound I’m getting from build 10565, so no complaints here.

Best regards,
Diede

[PeterSt]

For Joachim :

Another thing is that I most cincerely hope that you are wrong for the normal situation (with XXHE 2.03). But of course you can turn up to be correct.
Actually maybe I am afraid you are ...

So it looks like I must apologise and being afraid of something is not helped by looking away.

Please notice the now changed situation, where someone (Diede) compares not with 10240 (which I don't like myself at all) but with 10565 (which I "can like"). How your, Joachim, judgement in absolute sense about 10586 can equal Diede's ... I don't know but I guess it is possible if only 10586 is even worse than 10240.

But there's a trend (with very few statistics, but alas) :

Last week, when using 10565, I received a very strange remark from the family. Strange, because it is not heard often (that we have seen on this forum), while now it is in a row of already 3 the same remarks : a strange hollow sound.

This is thus 10565 with MinOS and the OS from RAM and all.

I myself can add this as well :
The other day (maybe two weeks ago) I talked about the longest cymbals ever. This too was with 10565 as far as I recall BUT :
The more I played with that situation, the stranger I found voices sounding. Hard to explain, but like they are synthesized.
Btw, this was with a very low SFS (like 0.2).

I need to add that I play with quite different "hardware" by now and that this allows to hear in other dimensions, so to speak, which is why my own judgements seem illegal just the same. That I try to change the sound for the better with this other "hardware", well, that should be for a good cause.
But maybe people recall that I said that it now seems so that W10 is too good for my system. So that is why I am working on that now (as well).

Let me finish this post by saying that the number of permutations become so large that I myself hardly know what to do next. It seems to be though, that it is getting better and better and better.
What I just said is that it is a kind of crazy to do this on your own. For example, I skipped the install of 10586 so far because I better finish XXHighEnd 2.03 first. So actually I should be very glad with reports of you guys, Joachim ahead.
That I still could not finish 2.03 is by now a stupid chicken-egg problem. And btw I already know that it won't be today either.

Diede, a special thanks to you as well (for posting this).

Best regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

In the meantime, can anybody post a reliable download link for ISO of 10565?

It was a bit of searching, but, here you go :

http://iso.esd.microsoft.com/W10IP/BF15E0F8F8F6B6BFCD0F62892BFBA60756371D21/Windows10_InsiderPreview_x64_EN-GB_10565.iso

Peter

Edit : The "Last Edit" you see below means nothing, because I added some text in here which I removed again.

[doublelife]

Thanks very much Peter.
D/L-ing now.

Paul

[PeterSt]

All,

I have reasons to believe that M$ now messes up even more by producing various versions of one Build. I don't know where the trick is, but I feel it is related to wanting to have one formal "RTM" build number, while again a million things don't work, and so they happily upgrade within that one Build Number.

While this topic is about 10586.3, today they are at 10586.11 (or maybe even further).

By now it is not even clear (to people and with that to me) what's an "Insider Preview" (prone to expiring) and what's a normal RTM Build (never expires).
What's even worse (as it seems) is that we don't know in advance which build is there to download.

Also please notice that 10586, or better, the Threshold-2 update, is STILL not announced;
It gets even more confusing (if you're an insider to the Insider program) if we see that only yesterday a 10586 was offered to Windows Phone users, as a Preview (so not an RTM).
Edit : I said 10585 (with emphasis on the 5) and I don't know how I saw that (). But it's 10586 and with that even worse (because no RTM).

Add to this that we also got a 10565 which at first was meant to be a final RTM (but this did not last one day) and ...

Microsoft f*cks up more and more badly.
IMO.

Peter

PS: But with XXHighEnd 2.03 around, at least people now can try Builds themselves for SQ and I can stop with this idiocy.

[christoffe]

While this topic is about 10586.3, today they are at 10586.11 (or maybe even further).

Hi,

got on my working PC via the "automatic update setting" the release 10586.11 transmitted.

Joachim

[PeterSt]

And Joachim ... More happy now ?



But since you did this anyway, does it still show as an RTM version ? I mean, is the "Insider Preview" text not there (bottom right corner) ?

Peter

[coliny]

Hi Peter

As posted earlier I downloaded W10 1511 from Microsoft TechBench via this link http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9230-windows-10-iso-download.html

It installed 10586 not 10586.3 or other variants, I'll call it 10586.0. I know this because Safe Boot shows version as 10586. Also Windows update shows no updates installed. Net3.5 was installed offline so that XXHE could be installed to stop updates with minimal risk of updates sneaking in. I was able to activate 1511 with my W7 product key so its a licensed install now.

No guarantee that the TechBench will continue to provide 10586.0

Colin

Its preferable we all use same version in case version 10586.? makes sound worst.