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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2015, 09:41:03 pm » |
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Peter hi,
I'm not interested in getting 1.186 working in W10 (unless you think this would give helpful information). I done want to end up on an unsupported software combination.
The key points regards bass are that
With 1.186 in both W8 and W10 bass is the same give or take a small amount quite exceptional.
2.02 bass is not so good in W10 at least, (I will give it a go in W8). I am just hoping that it might be possible in some way to reproduce 1.186 bass performance in 2.02.
If there is anything I can try here with my setup that might help understand this i'm happy to give it a go.
Regards,
Nick.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2015, 10:41:52 pm » |
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Nick
I think this is really a matter of taste. I like the more controlled bass of W10 /2.02 much better with my Abyss Headphones.
Today I decided to fully switch to the Windows Platform (from the Mac) because I like it so much.
The bass as it is with Win10 / 2.02 sounds just perfect.
I am out of my shoes.
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2015, 08:41:09 am » |
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Nick, In W10 a couple of additional things are being done. Also, a few things are NOT being done which happen in W8. In your situation, where the OS is recognized as W8, this is now "illegal". I have made a firmware upgrade for your car. It does two things : Allow for a 1000 rpm more in general and it uncovers the always hidden 7th gear. You need methanol for the revs and a new key for the extra gear. What you do is put in the methanol but don't use the key. Your complaint : it runs slightly slower then the promised now 230mhp but the noise is unbearable (10Krpm now instead of 9K). The solution is clear : use that key. The solution is not to go to the dealer and ask him what could be the matter with that noise. I hope the example makes it sufficiently clear as I think we both know that such "sequences" may not be so easy to follow at all times. When you have put in the proper key we can talk again, if you want. Prior to that all is moot as how I think.  Regards, Peter |
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2015, 09:36:35 am » |
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Hi Nick,
About the bass performance, overhere we prefer the new 202. It seems to go lower and is less punchy. In other words more in balance with the overall sound. Before the bass could be a bit to much.
Last night for the first time my son listened to 202 and his first reaction was, what a good bass.
Regards, Arjan
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2015, 10:12:25 am » |
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Peter, This post topic was intended to be is about the step back in bass performance (here at least) from official w8 1.186 to w10 2.02 configurations. This point seems to be getting lost in an unintended conversation on 1.186 in w10. I just get this is not valid. If I were to started a new thread on 1.186 in w10 it would be a short, single post to park the subject away from this thread  I'm not bothered 1.186 in w10, I don't intent to use anything other than your intended configs. I intended this thread tiopic to highlight only the change in bass moving from 1.186 (w8) to use of 2.02. Despite the supper performance of 2.02 in other respects, this change in bass performance is so significant right now I cannot see a way to move to 2.02. I won't go on now, if I come up with any setting that help I will post otherwise I'll wait, fingers crossed, that something else comes up that can help here. Kind regards, Nick. |
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w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2015, 10:18:20 am » |
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Nick, I softly tried to tell you that you may have problems with "sequences". My methanol and key example apparently does not help.
Install W10 properly and try again. Period.
I hope this helps ...
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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2015, 10:30:11 am » |
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Hi Nick,
About the bass performance, overhere we prefer the new 202. It seems to go lower and is less punchy. In other words more in balance with the overall sound. Before the bass could be a bit to much.
Last night for the first time my son listened to 202 and his first reaction was, what a good bass.
Regards, Arjan
Arjan hi, That is interesting, I agree bass could be a little much with 1.186. The problem here is that with instruments like piano or chello or guitar the fundamental notes are just no longer there and the sound the body of the instruments makes cannot be heard now. Of course dance music suffers more  . Interesting you and Michael do not seem to missing lower bass in the same way.  Kind regards, Nick. |
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w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2015, 10:32:37 am » |
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Nick, I softly tried to tell you that you may have problems with "sequences". My methanol and key example apparently does not help.
Install W10 properly and try again. Period.
I hope this helps ...
Peter
Thanks Peter, point taken I will do the reinstall, fingers crossed Kind regards, Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2015, 12:52:16 pm » |
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Nick,
do you ever check your p-mail here? I've been trying to reach you.
Todd
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2015, 10:57:19 pm » |
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Nick, I softly tried to tell you that you may have problems with "sequences". My methanol and key example apparently does not help.
Install W10 properly and try again. Period.
I hope this helps ...
Peter
Thanks Peter, point taken I will do the reinstall, fingers crossed Kind regards, Nick. Peter hi, A result ! With the OS reinstalled and without the Windows 7 explorer utility installed Bass performance is restored. There are some differences but these are I think just better controled Bass then with 1.186. The Subwoofers are up a couple clicks and sound quality is quite epic ! Im loving XX2.02 and W10 now. Thank you for helping to sort this out. Kind regards, Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2015, 08:00:52 am » |
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Glad to be of help, Nick. I hope I didn't come across too forceful. But  Peter |
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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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