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« on: October 06, 2013, 04:12:43 pm » |
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Hi all I like to know your option about this: Mine rig is a i7 2600, asus B75 mobo , 8 gb 2133MHZ , Silverstone Grandia GD06B and a HD5450 fanless card. I just bought this card for watching movies. Because i like the amd color in movies... If i replace this for a AMD 6800K( just for the HD8670D because it has more gpucores and more GB/s) and ASRock FM2A75 PRO4-M. Will this effect the soundquality? I really have no idea. The sound i have now is open, wide, stage en great stereo. And i love it  My files are flac 16/44 and HD tracks 24/96. Kind regards, Michel |
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 04:52:35 pm » |
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Hi Michel,
Maybe others have experience with this but I have the hunch that not many will be using AMD's. They have less cores (hyperthreading of the Intel's counted in) which are very useful for XXHighEnd.
There seems to be general consensus about the Extreme 4-M which fits in your case but I don't know whether that's the direction you want to go. Do notice though that any more modern processor deals with any movie easily these days, so it hardly can be about that.
The ASRock is highly tweakable and seems to do exactly what we guys want for SQ tweaks.
Another remark is NOT to have any GPUs on the processor. That only "influences" which we don't want. Otherwise, here too, any passively cooled 20 euro modern video card will play your movies. Whether with the right colour is up to you of course, so that is something to try out.
Not sure this is of much help, but at least I tried ...
Regards,
Peter
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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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AlainGr
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 05:35:02 pm » |
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Hi Michael,
While I do not have the same motherboard as the one installed in the XXHE PC, the advantages in having the same components are many as each new tweak and XXHE implementation "should" have the same effect... This makes everything easier to share: ideas, discoveries, perceptions, etc... But of course, it does not mean that you absolutely need to have the same machine...
Regards,
Alain
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Michel
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 05:36:34 pm » |
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Hi Michel,
Maybe others have experience with this but I have the hunch that not many will be using AMD's. They have less cores (hyperthreading of the Intel's counted in) which are very useful for XXHighEnd.
There seems to be general consensus about the Extreme 4-M which fits in your case but I don't know whether that's the direction you want to go. Do notice though that any more modern processor deals with any movie easily these days, so it hardly can be about that.
The ASRock is highly tweakable and seems to do exactly what we guys want for SQ tweaks.
Another remark is NOT to have any GPUs on the processor. That only "influences" which we don't want. Otherwise, here too, any passively cooled 20 euro modern video card will play your movies. Whether with the right colour is up to you of course, so that is something to try out.
Not sure this is of much help, but at least I tried ...
Regards,
Peter
Hi Peter. Many thx for your reply. Very helpfull. Intel it is than. So your saying , its better to have a cpu that has no gpu onboard right? I switch off the igpu function in the bios. Its not the same i geuss? Kind regards, Michel |
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Michel
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 05:51:35 pm » |
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Hi Michael,
While I do not have the same motherboard as the one installed in the XXHE PC, the advantages in having the same components are many as each new tweak and XXHE implementation "should" have the same effect... This makes everything easier to share: ideas, discoveries, perceptions, etc... But of course, it does not mean that you absolutely need to have the same machine...
Regards,
Alain
Hi Alain Thx for the explanation. Kind regards, Michel |
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PeterSt
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 06:38:12 pm » |
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I switch off the igpu function in the bios.
Its not the same i geuss? Michel, no idea actually. But I am sure someone else will know ... Peter |
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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CoenP
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2013, 09:42:18 pm » |
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I switch off the igpu function in the bios.
Its not the same i geuss? Yep, the IGP will be disabled and without a video card you will have no graphics  ! In my setup this wasn't a clear difference for the better, actually I preferred without it. But that was a long time ago. Maybe I should dig up the 20,- EUR card. As a compromise you could lower the IGP clock to the minimal value. regards, Coen |
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Settings: Qn: , SFS: , timeres: XT tweaks: , buf: 4096, driver: 8 ms,
Audio PC (jan 19): XXHE PC v1 with RAMdisk w.o. videocard and 1 of 2 cpu fans + BRIX/USB3 storage musicserver. ETN to Fibre converters (linear supplies), 500m SFP modules & 5m OM4 cable. Power cable PE not connected, together with nos1 and poweramp in separate "audio" powerstrip.
Clarixa set + Intona (or Lush 1m), Phasure NOS1a-75B G3 USB (buf 16 ms)-> Blaxius ->SE EL95 (0,8W triode) + cheap link to Abaqus 300W plateamps> Bastanis cable-> Bastanis Sagarmatha Duo ("DIY").
[other sources: TD124/3009SII-i/Grace F9/lounge LCR phono; Rega Planet 1997 vintage]
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Michel
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2013, 09:50:52 pm » |
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Hi Coen
I know its better to have a 20 euro grafic card.
The igpu sounds worse.
Kind regards,
Michel
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CoenP
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 12:37:32 am » |
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Hi Coen
I know its better to have a 20 euro grafic card.
The igpu sounds worse.
Kind regards,
Michel
You are completely right! The IGP s@cks. That I did not think of it myself sooner  . Sq is drastically leaping forward here. Thanks for the reminder, Regards, Coen |
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Settings: Qn: , SFS: , timeres: XT tweaks: , buf: 4096, driver: 8 ms,
Audio PC (jan 19): XXHE PC v1 with RAMdisk w.o. videocard and 1 of 2 cpu fans + BRIX/USB3 storage musicserver. ETN to Fibre converters (linear supplies), 500m SFP modules & 5m OM4 cable. Power cable PE not connected, together with nos1 and poweramp in separate "audio" powerstrip.
Clarixa set + Intona (or Lush 1m), Phasure NOS1a-75B G3 USB (buf 16 ms)-> Blaxius ->SE EL95 (0,8W triode) + cheap link to Abaqus 300W plateamps> Bastanis cable-> Bastanis Sagarmatha Duo ("DIY").
[other sources: TD124/3009SII-i/Grace F9/lounge LCR phono; Rega Planet 1997 vintage]
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