WIN8 stops

[JohanZ]

Did both these other stops continue by just moving the mouse ? Please answer carefully.

A new day, new chances.
Power on, start batch file for RAM playback of XXHE. After two minutes three alt-u and a volume increment. And in the third track second........no wait......third stop! After a mouse movement music continues again.

Regards johan

[JohanZ]

Conclusion after one cd: first two tracks no stops. The other nine tracks each track two/three stops. Total of  20 - 27 stops!

[PeterSt]

Johan, lost case !
IOW, I really don't know. Never heard of it either.

All I know is that this is a bug in USB ( Windows 8 ).

What I recall that also helped me (is somewhere in this topic as well) is go to Power Management (do that in Normal OS if you can't do it in MinOS). In there click Change Plan settings (of the active Scheme) and :

Click Change advanced power settings;
Open USB settings;
In there there's one option - and its setting will be Enabled. Change that to disabled.
Now reboot (just because I think I did that myself back at the time).
Now set back to Enabled (or let it be and try now).

This makes no real sense to me, but it helped me, or at least I could not tell what helped otherwise (I too tried a million things).

I hope it helps because I have no other ideas ...

Peter

[PeterSt]

A bit stupid : But in Windows 7 I see that this thing is DISabled. And I don't recall I ever touched it.

What if this "suspend" option really does what it tells ? (well, sort of)

[CoenP]

Just for the record, this win8 stops situation has been bothering me too in my win8 experiments. Amongst other things (sq, balance).

Iirc it did improve with a reboot with the  Hiberfil file disabled. No persisting solution in the end.   

That was long ago.

Regards, Coen

[tillen]

In my situation it was about a Power outage, after that the stops was back, I disabled the hyberfil, and rebooted. Then evrything was ok.
But there was some work on the Powerline, and there was Power outage several times. and the same happened.
This happens only when the PC is shut of by Power button or Power outage. Normally reboot, or shut off does not affect it, rhe everything Works fine after a New start.

Arnt

[PeterSt]

HUH ?!?

It is true that it would not be the first time that I see people shutting down their PC by just pressing that power button (for 5 seconds etc.). But this is illegal !

But Arnt, what a find !! Thanks ...


Johan ?

[JohanZ]

Click Change advanced power settings;
Open USB settings;
In there there's one option - and its setting will be Enabled. Change that to disabled.
Now reboot (just because I think I did that myself back at the time).
Now set back to Enabled (or let it be and try now).

I've followed your instructions. Only the first cd gives the stops. So there is improvement. Today during the firste cd I had a stop and the mouse movement did not work. I had a message "waiting on services to stop". After three minutes music continues. The second cd no problems anymore.
Best regards johan

[PeterSt]

Johan,

I had a message "waiting on services to stop".

You mentioned this a couple of times now, and now I start to see it as a general line which is not right.

If it were for me you can't have this message while music is playing. So you forgot to tell something. Sequence (mind you, for Unattended) :

1. Start Playback;
2. Wait for services to stop (this comes from XXHighEnd.exe);
3. Music starts (can only happen when XXHighEnd.exe has finished hence message must boe gone;
4. Now music can stop for whatever reason, but never *because* of that message (the program which presents it does not run).

Ad 3 : Unless you have set Start Playback during conversions !!!

Ad 4 : Unless you do something like Alt-u which starts XXHighEnd for a few seconds.

...
Still you mention this message regularly so let's say it is related. Or ... what about eliminating that situation of the message first, because it is "wrong" to be there all the time to begin with. And then, who knows ...

If that message stays there all the time, the most profound reason is that you have Windows Defender running. So have you ? Certain versions of W8 don't allow to stop it automatically (by XXHighEnd I mean). But I'd say that in such a situation playback exactly never begins (Unattended).

If that message staus there, it is bcause it can't stop some service (Defender being an example); You can switch on Logging and in the stituation concerned it will show it. So if you see that message (for longer than normal) grab the XX log file without doing something about the message at that moment (!).

Please respond to may Ad 3 and Ad 4.

Peter

[PeterSt]

Also :

I've followed your instructions. Only the first cd gives the stops. So there is improvement. Today during the firste cd I had a stop and the mouse movement did not work.

This is not 100% following the instructions ... That is, anticipating that the problem is still there (outside of what I said in my previous post). So :

- Reboot;
- Start playback;
- After two minutes Alt-u;
Done.

And :
If you run into the "need to move the move" situation and it helps ... too late. You need to reboot first.

And :
If no mouse movement helps, it is something else.
And I already told you : it seems you mix two situations. And it looks like this "Waiting for services to stop" is just another situation. So try to see them apart from the real issue (music automatically stops and move mouse will help) because otherwise we are not going to solve it.

And :
If you nicely apply the Alt-u and later music stops *and* move mouse helps ... then it must be an entirely new situation. Same issue, but different cause or something.

My conclusion from your last post :
The real issue was not in order at all. So you may have solved it. But there's something else as well ...

Hope you have a nice Sunday !
Peter

[AlainGr]

Hi Peter,

Though this situation never occured to me, I was checking for ways to put an end to these stops.

There is something on Microsoft website about USB  stopping at times with Windows 8.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2821819

I don't know if this can be of some help. It seems to be related to USB 3...

Alain

[PeterSt]

Hey Alain, great.

What's described there is not the issue, but notice the relation to the "suspending" (my talk about the power option).

As far as I am concerned it is not really USB3 related BUT it can exhibit there for *US*. So easy try for someone who suffers from it : use USB2 and see what happens.

So the bug is in USB (I just know from the driver development (guys)) and it is in Windows 8. Nobody says that it exhibits like we can experience it, but it sure *is* about USB not responding any more (elsewhere I described it better and it is timing related).

Thank you Alain.
Peter

[AlainGr]

Could it be related to hibernate ?

Alain

[PeterSt]

Alain, yes. This was dealt with in this topic I think and in the end Coen's sort of solution.

Notice that hibernating is not 100% the same as a warm reboot (jus reboot without power down) but the means of hibernation (how the memeory data is saved to disk) is the same (or very similar) for Windows 8. So this is how Windows 8 can boot so fast (saves memort to disk first and reads it at the next (warm) boot so the real re-inits don't have to happen).

Thanks,
Peter

[JohanZ]

1. Start Playback;
2. Wait for services to stop (this comes from XXHighEnd.exe);
3. Music starts (can only happen when XXHighEnd.exe has finished hence message must boe gone;
4. Now music can stop for whatever reason, but never *because* of that message (the program which presents it does not run).

Ad 3 : Unless you have set Start Playback during conversions !!!

Ad 4 : Unless you do something like Alt-u which starts XXHighEnd for a few seconds.

Ad3. I don't have set "Start Playback during conversions ".
Ad4. I only use Alt-U as you suggested after 2 minutes during playback.

Ok i have 2 situations with a different cause. For 98% of the stops I can solve it by moving the mouse. During the first CD I have stops after the Alt-U. When i play the second cd the stops are over.

I will enable the logging for situation 2.

Best Regards Johan