WIN8 stops

[PeterSt]

But that should be another cause, and moving the mouse will not have helped.
Correct ?

Peter

[Gerard]

Peter,

After i made the change (hyberfil.sys) the problem disapear in normal playback.

But when i like to lower the CPU the problem was back again. at the 3.20 GHZ there was no problem with WAV and FLAQ

Only with a MP3 cd the problem comes back. Really strange.

With W7 no problem at all and fot the first time i could lower the CPU to 1.2

That was the reason i wanted to buy your HDD with W8. As it eems to be that you dont have the problem.

EDIT: Maybe it has something to do with my W8 version. 

[acg]

Sorry to drag up an old thread guys, but I am playing with w8 again after going to w7 for a while, and although I did have the 'stopping' problem earlier before I went to w7, it was easily solved by un-minimising and re-minising the o/s.  This does not work now.

I am using the same w8 installation as before but I am using a new version of XXHE (1.186d) to suit my 8-core processor.  Note that I also run 1.186d in w7 and have zero problems, so this is certainly a w8 issue.  I have gone through Coens suggestions above regarding the hibernation settings, but at no stage can I boot into w8 that does not have the stopping behaviour, so I cannot get Coens procedure to work for me. 

However, there is one observation that I have made that could be useful.  If I go into Control Panel>Power Options>Change Plan Settings and set "Turn off the display" to 1 minute, I get the stop after a few minutes of playback as usual, and I move the mouse or press a button and the music instantly starts again, but 1 minute later at exactly the time that the display is turned off the music stops again.  I have never observed this before and usually have the display set to never turn off, so this is a new behaviour for me.

Another thing that has happened a few times is that instead of the music completely stopping it gets badly distorted and sounds like good old AM radio static with a recognisable tune playing (the tune that should be playing, not something plucked from the radio waves).  This is a very weird sound but as soon as I touch the mouse or a button the sound comes good again.  Now, I do not know how to reliably duplicate this "static" because it has only happened three times, but once I do I will post back here the results.

When this stopping problem first showed up a couple of weeks ago I would just let the XXHE PC sit there and playback would automatically start again and would play for the entire day without issue even changing playlists, volumes et cetera, but as soon as I rebooted the problem would come back.  That is not the case any more.  I will change a couple of w8 power scheme settings and see if I can revert to that behaviour.

Regards,

Anthony

[acg]

Ok.  I got the static to occur again.  It happens when the following things have happened:  restart the computer; playing a playlist and the music stops for the first time;  I touch nothing and wait for the music to start again; when it starts again it is all static and distortion; move the mouse and it comes good instantly.  Playback stops again after a few minutes but this time it stops with a slight blip of static.  I wait a few minutes and it comes back by itself all static again and I move the mouse and its sounds fine.  This is all with the display set to never turn off.

I will try now duplicate my actions to see if I can make it happen again.

EDIT:  I shut down the pc, started again, set the same playlist to play and sure enough a few minutes in the music stops.  I leave it and it restarts by itself and is playing without stop or static.

[Gerard]

Yeah that is the reason why i do not like to try W8 again.  Hope someone come's up with a solution for this.

[PeterSt]

Hi Anthony,

I think it is by 100% guarantee that if you use Alt-d or Alt-u after a minute or so of playback and at a first playback after a reboot, the thing will never happen during that boot session. Did you try this ?

Peter

[PeterSt]

Another thing that has happened a few times is that instead of the music completely stopping it gets badly distorted and sounds like good old AM radio static with a recognisable tune playing (the tune that should be playing, not something plucked from the radio waves).  This is a very weird sound but as soon as I touch the mouse or a button the sound comes good again.

Here I am pretty confident that this is
a. caused by the similar or same phenomenon that causes the stops;
b. is the result of being over the limits on the SFS in combination with Q3,4,5 = 1 (think SFS being under 0.10).

At least this is how I recognize this.

[PeterSt]

I touch nothing and wait for the music to start again; when it starts again it is all static and distortion;

This one I do NOT recognize. But a hint : Try Appointment Scheme 3-5 (but if you were already using that ...)

[PeterSt]

And still I never heard of the problem any more since 1.186. And otherwise I maybe recall one occasion. Re: WIN8 stops.

But there's also a report that it is related to the processor speed. Actually two, because in one occasion I suspected it myself. So Anthony, I am sure I ran into the thing daily when my speed was 720MHz or so. But since I run it at 430MHz never again. Back at the time I couln't make this consistent because it was always a bit waiting what would come out of the speed but since I know how to consistently do that ... maybe it is just that. So this is with the BIOS settings as described here : XXHighEnd PC BIOS Settings with the notice that origins from January 17 (so earlier than that topic) and that "weeks" before that I rean with that 430MHz already (but didn't know how to deliberately do it but friggled until it did). So if you like you can set those literal BIOS settings and see.

Another quite interesting thing would be that 1.186(a) itself did not deal with the 16 cores properly. Btw not did the previous versions. However, now it does, so now it impacts the issue ? can well be. This is how Scheme 3-5 can work out differently because this scheme works with the "first" cores which are the same as with not Hyperthreaded. 1-2 works with one of these "physical" cores while the other one is the Hyperthreaded one.
And of course, you used the lot not-Hyperthreaded (with your Xeon) because it just would not work because of this 16 core omission in the software.

All IOW, quite some things changed and actually so many (including your own settings) that it can be anything and also the combination.

Anyway I never saw the problem again since say the end of 2013, and I think the same with others (while *everybody* was suffering from it).

Now what to make of this all ...
Regards,
Peter

[acg]

Here I am pretty confident that this is
a. caused by the similar or same phenomenon that causes the stops;
b. is the result of being over the limits on the SFS in combination with Q3,4,5 = 1 (think SFS being under 0.10).

At least this is how I recognize this.

Yes, it sounds similar just like a buffer under-run, but more like there are more gaps in the data than data making it through.  The static is prevalent and the music is just in the background.  And small pops too, not the big ones.

[acg]

I touch nothing and wait for the music to start again; when it starts again it is all static and distortion;

This one I do NOT recognize. But a hint : Try Appointment Scheme 3-5 (but if you were already using that ...)

Yes, already using that.  At the moment I am using exactly the settings in your signature Peter and I am not game to change them for now because I think that it is still hibernation related.

[acg]

And still I never heard of the problem any more since 1.186. And otherwise I maybe recall one occasion. Re: WIN8 stops.

But there's also a report that it is related to the processor speed. Actually two, because in one occasion I suspected it myself. So Anthony, I am sure I ran into the thing daily when my speed was 720MHz or so. But since I run it at 430MHz never again. Back at the time I couln't make this consistent because it was always a bit waiting what would come out of the speed but since I know how to consistently do that ... maybe it is just that. So this is with the BIOS settings as described here : XXHighEnd PC BIOS Settings with the notice that origins from January 17 (so earlier than that topic) and that "weeks" before that I rean with that 430MHz already (but didn't know how to deliberately do it but friggled until it did). So if you like you can set those literal BIOS settings and see.

Another quite interesting thing would be that 1.186(a) itself did not deal with the 16 cores properly. Btw not did the previous versions. However, now it does, so now it impacts the issue ? can well be. This is how Scheme 3-5 can work out differently because this scheme works with the "first" cores which are the same as with not Hyperthreaded. 1-2 works with one of these "physical" cores while the other one is the Hyperthreaded one.
And of course, you used the lot not-Hyperthreaded (with your Xeon) because it just would not work because of this 16 core omission in the software.

All IOW, quite some things changed and actually so many (including your own settings) that it can be anything and also the combination.

Anyway I never saw the problem again since say the end of 2013, and I think the same with others (while *everybody* was suffering from it).

Now what to make of this all ...
Regards,
Peter

I will change my processor speed tomorrow and report back.

[PeterSt]

One other thing Anthony :

My monitor is set to never switch off, and indeed it will never do that (W8). I didn't have it like that for always, but I'd say for way longer than since last December anyway. However, what I noticed is that for W7 this won't "work". I mean, whatever I set, in W7 it will always go off in ? ... an hour ?

Just thought to mention this because you feel the display setting regarding this is related ...

Peter

[acg]

I have not noticed anything unusual about the monitor in w7 or even when it does turn itself off.  The monitor that I use for the XXHE PC is shared with another computer, so more often than not I start the playlist playing and then switch the monitor to the other computer and then switch back when the music stops.

But I will take some notice in w7 next time.

Anthony

[acg]

I give up, I have no idea what is going on.  This morning I fired up the computer selected an album and suddenly about 40 minutes later the whole thing had played through.  What?  No stops?  I've done nothing since yesterday except shut down the computer and then restart it this morning.  I've not adjusted the BIOS or any windows settings or XXHE settings or anything else.  So what is happening? 

So, realising that I had an album play through for the first time since I came back to w8 a couple of weeks ago I took Coens recommendation to disable hibernation and played tunes all day today.  Just to make sure everything was working properly I have shut down and restarted four times and each time have struck no problems.

I'm lost and have no idea what was going on before because I did exactly zero to fix it other than the hibernation thing when I realised all was working properly.  So Peter, problem solved??

Anthony