WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p

[PeterSt]

I don't think that is necessary Gerard. I just wanted to be sure that I understood well.
Where your problem resorts from I don't know. But IMHO not from any late version of XX.
Not that this helps you, but it helps me a bit.

[Gerard]

Heeeeey Peter, All,

Nou breekt mijn klomp (My wooden shoe just broke) ( Dutch Term)   

There are two things going on!!!

Cracks are gone and the Errors (during random play) are gone....

What did i do??!!! rapappaaa rappapaaa rapapaaaa haha..... 

Ok

From the beginning of i had two harddrives....

HARDDRIVE 1:  is named C:\ and on that one is Windows and all the other programms including XX Highend installed. Also my favorit music was on this harddisk.

HARDDRIVE 2: is named X:\ and contained music wich i had to sort out....

I removed all my music from both disks and put my favorit music from my backup in X:\

Also i moved the map that contains XXHIGHEND and put that also in X:\

Right now i do some big stressing on C:\. Normally the errors and cracks come up very often...
But for the last 4 hours there is nothing... NO CRACKS - NO ERRORS


4 Hours is maybe less to make conclusions but i could not wait to tell.... And fo me this is to much of a coincidence...

Let you know

Grrrrrtzzzz Gerard..   

[PeterSt]

Are both C: and X: connected by the same type ? I mean, both SATA, or might C: be ATA/SATA and X: be USB ?
(etc.)

[Gerard]

Are both C: and X: connected by the same type ? I mean, both SATA, or might C: be ATA/SATA and X: be USB ?
(etc.)

Both are ATA.....

[PeterSt]

Could you retry with the XX folder on C: again (music stays at X:) ?

[Gerard]

Could you retry with the XX folder on C: again (music stays at X:) ?

I already did 

[Gerard]

Could you retry with the XX folder on C: again (music stays at X:) ?

Hoi Peter,

I moved XX from X:\ to C:\ and when i play music that is stored on C:\ and X:\,  XX come's with cracks. Also, because of some copying on C:\,  XX shows difficultie's loading music.

I moved XX back to X:\ and now i am playing music that is stored on C:\ and than also XX come's with cracks and even errors. Still C:\ is a bit busy with some copying.

Now i only play music that is stored on X:\ and XX shows no loading diffucultie's and seems relaxter.
Errors and cracks still do not apear on X:\ when the music i play is on X:\

 

Gerard....

[PeterSt]

Can you verify that in the "bad" situation(s), the crackles start right in the middle of a track (say 10 secs from start and 20 seconds before the end at most ?

Also (and sorry I don't know anymore if you told it already), how would you describe the "crackling" you have ? (heavy distortion, small clicks, etc. ?)

[Gerard]

Can you verify that in the "bad" situation(s), the crackles start right in the middle of a track (say 10 secs from start and 20 seconds before the end at most ?

Also (and sorry I don't know anymore if you told it already), how would you describe the "crackling" you have ? (heavy distortion, small clicks, etc. ?)

Crackling = Heavy distortion/Real heavy

Crackles starts during playing. But sometimes when a new track apears the cracks go on. Sometimes after a few seconds. Sometimes in the middle of a song. 

EDIT: 20:00 uur Still no problems at all on X:\

[Gerard]

Peter,

I have been playing for over 12 hours and i did not have any errors. Also in my case the cracks are gone. I can really say that XX seems to have it easyer.

So my conclusion is that if you have two harddrives it´s better to put XX in the harddrive where your music is stored and where you don´t have all your other programms. Or do you disagree Peter?


Gerard. 

EDIT: Playing for several day's and still no errors!! 

[Gerner]

Peter,

I have been playing for over 12 hours and i did not have any errors. Also in my case the cracks are gone. I can really say that XX seems to have it easyer.

So my conclusion is that if you have two harddrives it´s better to put XX in the harddrive where your music is stored and where you don´t have all your other programms. Or do you disagree Peter?

Gerard. 

Gerad you positive laboratory... 

How can I say it? I had the same phenomenon going here, but in a different version causing however the same side effects as you have been experiencing.

Mine had to do with that I want to have two different players of different origin open on the desktop to compare how the XX is developing along the way. This were not to find a winner, because that's not so difficult to decide...But merely just to keep an old player staying the same all the time, and having a better platform to follow the improvements of the XX.
Those two players could not co-exist and caused the same problems with distortion and clicks.

Now Peter gave me a recepy, or test method to find a solution and get rid of that problem on my location, and the method was found. But it is not the same "case" here as you have, even you experienced the same side effects. Funny isn't it.

The bloody thing for Peter is, that all of us are setting up things in right/wrong/different modes that may cause XX difficulties. But Peter doesn't have those settings and crazy things on his PC and it's hard to suggest on what would be causing problems and how they were created by us and not him. For Peter he must set his PC in the same default as we have to diagnose, and that is not always possible as different HW is also playing role. Peter cannot buy all our crazy HW solutions and test it off before a new release of the XX.

But as some of us is willing to spend time on helping this out, and Peter do it as well, a universial *no kill* player is soon to be born.

I think all this is better explained by the Master himself, and leave him the time for it, so I let you go free from my lausy way of explaining all this.


But let me put it this way: There is always a better solution. And those who doesn't beleive, will not be the ones who invent it.
I guess it's why we see so much going on re. the XX.

Gerner

[PeterSt]

But let me put it this way: There is always a better solution. And those who doesn't beleive, will not be the ones who invent it.

Gerner, beautifully said. But allow me to address this to Gerard just the same. I mean, you both spent a hell of a time to find out what's going on, and although in both your cases this is not exacly clear, you are the winners of ... well, your systems.
Whether you may benefit from an improved version (the 0.9q I just put up) I don't know, but the fact is : those who persist will winn. I tried too (0.9q).

Either of your cases are IMHO rare, or better : as strange as could be;

Gerard, yes, you could say that you should not have so much "overhead" on your PC, but how that is related to one harddrive ... it beats me so far. I mean, XXHighEnd is not accessing that harddrive at all during playback (hence in the middle of a track) and still "you" (your PC) accessing that drive stresses XX. "Stresses" or de(s)organizes, in a mater I cannot comprehend.

Gerner, with you the same, but in an even more parculiar way;
You did not tell it out of politeness, but I will :

As soon as you start Foobar, NOT (and never) playing a single track at all, after a few minutes you have ... well, the same as Gerard; completely distorted sound which won't go away, until stop / restart playback.
Added to that : with *NO* Processor Core Appointment only. Well, if one thing beats me, it's this.
What even beats me more is that 0.9pd does not give you this distortion ... and ... you really received one program only (the 0.9pd) which is unrelated to the playback of sound ...

BUT :
As we know by now, 0.9pd not only solves these kind of problems (not for Gerard I think) but it even expresses a (far) better SQ. Those things must be related.

But as some of us is willing to spend time on helping this out, and Peter do it as well, a universial *no kill* player is soon to be born.

If not already ...
But you can bet I do not only listen to all of you, but I also will explicitly take this experience into account in order to somewhere, sometime determine what is really going on in playback where it is SQ related. Ok, "we" started off nicely, but although I'd say we're near the top already, I'm sure it still is just the beginning of it.

I know this took 10ths of hours of each of you.

Peter

[Gerard]

Peter,

I have been playing for over 12 hours and i did not have any errors. Also in my case the cracks are gone. I can really say that XX seems to have it easyer.

So my conclusion is that if you have two harddrives it´s better to put XX in the harddrive where your music is stored and where you don´t have all your other programms. Or do you disagree Peter?

Gerard. 

Gerad you positive laboratory... 

How can I say it? I had the same phenomenon going here, but in a different version causing however the same side effects as you have been experiencing.

Mine had to do with that I want to have two different players of different origin open on the desktop to compare how the XX is developing along the way. This were not to find a winner, because that's not so difficult to decide...But merely just to keep an old player staying the same all the time, and having a better platform to follow the improvements of the XX.
Those two players could not co-exist and caused the same problems with distortion and clicks.

Now Peter gave me a recepy, or test method to find a solution and get rid of that problem on my location, and the method was found. But it is not the same "case" here as you have, even you experienced the same side effects. Funny isn't it.

The bloody thing for Peter is, that all of us are setting up things in right/wrong/different modes that may cause XX difficulties. But Peter doesn't have those settings and crazy things on his PC and it's hard to suggest on what would be causing problems and how they were created by us and not him. For Peter he must set his PC in the same default as we have to diagnose, and that is not always possible as different HW is also playing role. Peter cannot buy all our crazy HW solutions and test it off before a new release of the XX.

But as some of us is willing to spend time on helping this out, and Peter do it as well, a universial *no kill* player is soon to be born.

I think all this is better explained by the Master himself, and leave him the time for it, so I let you go free from my lausy way of explaining all this.


But let me put it this way: There is always a better solution. And those who doesn't beleive, will not be the ones who invent it.
I guess it's why we see so much going on re. the XX.

Gerner

Hey Gerner, (skiz) 

Thanx for your nice words.... Indeed strange that whe are both experience the same cracks. Even odd that it´s so diffucult to point out what is causing the problem. In my case it´s only a palliative and not the way it should in the future. But Ill keep on trying when i have some time left. First see how the new model does/reacts on this.

I have one question though..

1:   The problem you have is that only to Foobar related? Or does WMP/Other Players also infect the SQ?

Grtz Gerard 
 
 

[Gerner]

Hi Gerad

Neither or both. Neither XX failed 'alone' nor Foobar did. Running in 'open' mode both failed, resulting in the symptoms we both found in the SQ. And I run the XX and Foobar in the Vista partition which has it's own seprate disc. Not hooked up in my loops of 2 x 3 TB music storrage discs.

What I could not think of was that that was due to how the core were set. Multicore or one core. I never had the thought it would have any influence and looked for all kind of other anomalities.
By coincidence I found out that the both can live happily together if the MOBO is set to 'one core' appointment.

Now if other players than Foobar has to marry under the same cicumstances I have not tried that out.

Gerner