WARNING : Degraded SQ from off 0.9n u/i 9.0p

[PeterSt]

From various angles it comes to me that the SQ on versions 0.9n (but possibly from off 0.9o only) u/i 0.9p is degraded;
Soft crackles may emerge, depending on the soundcard used (and possible buffer settings in there).
This may start immediately or start after a few tracks playing.

Please revert to 0.9m-1 to be sure to have the good SQ again.

Thanks for everybody reporting this, while I myself was busy judging MP3 sound (which for me is without crackles, but here too others report them).

Edit :
But please note this is not sure; e.g. I myself can't copy this behaviour.

Peter

[Gerner]

From various angles it comes to me that the SQ on versions 0.9n (but possibly from off 0.9o only) u/i 0.9p is degraded;
Soft crackles may emerge, depending on the soundcard used (and possible buffer settings in there).
This may start immediately or start after a few tracks playing.

Please revert to 0.9m-1 to be sure to have the good SQ again.

Thanks for everybody reporting this, while I myself was busy judging MP3 sound (which for me is without crackles, but here too others report them).
Peter

Yep 

Gerner

[SeVeReD]

Ok, thanks for your ears.  This time I've just been waiting.  I have to admit I've been using 0.9m-1... tried O, tried P... went back to M-1.  good call PeterSt.  I didn't do much back and forth.  Was going to go for the full on evaluation at some point.  But I did hear a difference and "felt" M-1 was better... so just been using that.  It must be frustrating for you to try to get everything (mp3 and the like) just right.  But, I think most of us here would chose music quality over convenience or format... there's other players we can go to for that.  How about having different XXHE players for different formats?... don't know what that would look like.

edit
oh, you haven't listened? just heard from others.  I don't get any crackle and can play -3 Q1 fine with M-1 or P... but I still think M-1 sounds "fuller"... but I will put some ear into it soon and tell you more if I can.  But I've mainly just been listening to M-1... it's on right now.

edit/caution
I've also been wondering if switching back and forth (starting up shutting down) M-1 and P, without rebooting between, could start to throw off sound?... I dunno, sometimes I feel that after rebooting both players do their best... heh now that would be a pain to evaluate.

-My CPU is single core,,, should I not have "Appoint processor core" checked... hasn't seemed to hurt with either M-1 or P.

[Gerard]

From various angles it comes to me that the SQ on versions 0.9n (but possibly from off 0.9o only) u/i 0.9p is degraded;
Soft crackles may emerge, depending on the soundcard used (and possible buffer settings in there).
This may start immediately or start after a few tracks playing.

Please revert to 0.9m-1 to be sure to have the good SQ again.

Thanks for everybody reporting this, while I myself was busy judging MP3 sound (which for me is without crackles, but here too others report them).

Edit :
But please note this is not sure; e.g. I myself can't copy this behaviour.

Peter

Peter,

This is a problem i have had for a long time and right now i have it much more. For a long time i thought this was a problem with the XP driver i am using. I was planning to tell you in a few day's but right now i am a little busy.
Indeed it apears after a few songs and than the whole song the music sounds crackling.
But when i press stop and push play again the problem is over. But only for a few songs. But it also can take a whole cd before it comes up.

I also thought it apears when my harddisk was busy with something else. But i am not sure anymore.

Right now i am testing if it is less when the q1 slider is not anymore at -4

grtzzzz

Gerard..

[PeterSt]

Thank you guys. Really appreciate it.
Remember, I can't do it all alone ...

[Gerner]

Thank you guys. Really appreciate it.
Remember, I can't do it all alone ...

Peter 

It's in a way fantastic that we either here or through private PM's collects info and beam it up to you.

Beforehead I have pointed out how difficult it must be to define where all those small problems appears from.

Settings?
HW?
SW?

To my big surprise yesterday I heard clicks even with Foobar. Never ever heard it before. And since I bought myself a stacker and threw out my labtop for the sake of storrage capacity, well, the clicking phenomenon appeared. It never happened before. (09m-1)

Now, when I upgraded to 09p yesterday, it started. But now also with both 09m-1 and Foobar. And it is 100% unrelated to Q1 settings. RME settings. One core settings etc. etc......

Must be a busy day today....in the bright CPU you carry on top of your neck...hahaha. 


Gerner

What kind of a brain does it take to determine wether it's a HW or a SW buggy-woggy?

[Gerard]

Thank you guys. Really appreciate it.
Remember, I can't do it all alone ...

Peter 

It's in a way fantastic that we either here or through private PM's collects info and beam it up to you.

Beforehead I have pointed out how difficult it must be to define where all those small problems appears from.

Settings?
HW?
SW?

To my big surprise yesterday I heard clicks even with Foobar. Never ever heard it before. And since I bought myself a stacker and threw out my labtop for the sake of storrage capacity, well, the clicking phenomenon appeared. It never happened before. (09m-1)

Now, when I upgraded to 09p yesterday, it started. But now also with both 09m-1 and Foobar. And it is 100% unrelated to Q1 settings. RME settings. One core settings etc. etc......

Must be a busy day today....in the bright CPU you carry on top of your neck...hahaha. 


Gerner

What kind of a brain does it take to determine wether it's a HW or a SW buggy-woggy?

Hoi Peter,

This is excactly one of the reasens i did not tell you in the beginning. If i remember correct i have had this problem also with playing with Mediamonkey. ( Like Gerner has it with Foobar).. That's why i thought it was the Xp driver used in Vista. But i never or less played again with this program. There was also a time that i did not have this problem as much as today. For me it was not a big issue when it was happening once a day. One day i remember i was copying a bunch off music to my externe (usb) harddrive and then the chrackling appears again and again.

I have this crackling sound from the beginning of. But now i will spend more time in testing this problem...

And i think Gerner is right about the way we all are working....    ( but in this case i had to do it a little bit sooner.) 

succes today....

Grtzzzz

[SeVeReD]

Thank you guys. Really appreciate it.
Remember, I can't do it all alone ...

Peter 

It's in a way fantastic that we either here or through private PM's collects info and beam it up to you.

Beforehead I have pointed out how difficult it must be to define where all those small problems appears from.

Settings?
HW?
SW?

To my big surprise yesterday I heard clicks even with Foobar. Never ever heard it before. And since I bought myself a stacker and threw out my labtop for the sake of storrage capacity, well, the clicking phenomenon appeared. It never happened before. (09m-1)

Now, when I upgraded to 09p yesterday, it started. But now also with both 09m-1 and Foobar. And it is 100% unrelated to Q1 settings. RME settings. One core settings etc. etc......

Must be a busy day today....in the bright CPU you carry on top of your neck...hahaha. 


Gerner

What kind of a brain does it take to determine wether it's a HW or a SW buggy-woggy?

Hoi Peter,

This is excactly one of the reasens i did not tell you in the beginning. If i remember correct i have had this problem also with playing with Mediamonkey. ( Like Gerner has it with Foobar).. That's why i thought it was the Xp driver used in Vista. But i never or less played again with this program. There was also a time that i did not have this problem as much as today. For me it was not a big issue when it was happening once a day. One day i remember i was copying a bunch off music to my externe (usb) harddrive and then the chrackling appears again and again.

I have this crackling sound from the beginning of. But now i will spend more time in testing this problem...

And i think Gerner is right about the way we all are working....    ( but in this case i had to do it a little bit sooner.) 

succes today....

Grtzzzz

If you have ""Appoint processor core" checked, then shut down XXHE and then start Foobar without rebooting, wouldn't this be a problem?  It takes a reboot to clear "Appoint processor core".  This is a long shot guess, probably not related to what you guys are experiencing.

[Gerner]

Thank you guys. Really appreciate it.
Remember, I can't do it all alone ...

Peter 

It's in a way fantastic that we either here or through private PM's collects info and beam it up to you.

Beforehead I have pointed out how difficult it must be to define where all those small problems appears from.

Settings?
HW?
SW?

To my big surprise yesterday I heard clicks even with Foobar. Never ever heard it before. And since I bought myself a stacker and threw out my labtop for the sake of storrage capacity, well, the clicking phenomenon appeared. It never happened before. (09m-1)

Now, when I upgraded to 09p yesterday, it started. But now also with both 09m-1 and Foobar. And it is 100% unrelated to Q1 settings. RME settings. One core settings etc. etc......

Must be a busy day today....in the bright CPU you carry on top of your neck...hahaha. 


Gerner

What kind of a brain does it take to determine wether it's a HW or a SW buggy-woggy?

Hoi Peter,

This is excactly one of the reasens i did not tell you in the beginning. If i remember correct i have had this problem also with playing with Mediamonkey. ( Like Gerner has it with Foobar).. That's why i thought it was the Xp driver used in Vista. But i never or less played again with this program. There was also a time that i did not have this problem as much as today. For me it was not a big issue when it was happening once a day. One day i remember i was copying a bunch off music to my externe (usb) harddrive and then the chrackling appears again and again.

I have this crackling sound from the beginning of. But now i will spend more time in testing this problem...

And i think Gerner is right about the way we all are working....    ( but in this case i had to do it a little bit sooner.) 

succes today....

Grtzzzz

If you have ""Appoint processor core" checked, then shut down XXHE and then start Foobar without rebooting, wouldn't this be a problem?  It takes a reboot to clear "Appoint processor core".  This is a long shot guess, probably not related to what you guys are experiencing.

Nope...I think.

I don't have a core appointed to XX. And if I do it....it doesn't sound any different to me...! 

I had an hour with 9D today. No clicks here. 9m-1 far less. 9p quite some. Foobar stopped clicking after a reboot.

Sorry things run a little fast to make fast conclusions, I think.

Enjoy and cheers

gerner

[Gerard]

From various angles it comes to me that the SQ on versions 0.9n (but possibly from off 0.9o only) u/i 0.9p is degraded;
Soft crackles may emerge, depending on the soundcard used (and possible buffer settings in there).
This may start immediately or start after a few tracks playing.

Please revert to 0.9m-1 to be sure to have the good SQ again.

Thanks for everybody reporting this, while I myself was busy judging MP3 sound (which for me is without crackles, but here too others report them).

Edit :
But please note this is not sure; e.g. I myself can't copy this behaviour.

Peter

Hi Peter, All,

I think i know now what is causing the problem for the errors during random play an even the crakling sound.... I was telling you before that i thought i might have to do with a busy harddrive/or Cpu for that matter.
Well tonight i began to do some serious moving (50 cd's )music (knippen/plakken) from one harddrive to another and did a virus check. Also i opend windows mediaplayer (not playing). and Gom player (playing a dvd). and did downloading a cd from the internet. ( The whole test i did the same!)
 
Gom player started to do update and while i was playing with xx The crackling sounds come's up for 10 seconds and automaticly disapear.

Very soon also at the end of a track the errors whe were talkin before came up. So i manualy pusht the slide bar to the end so that the testing speeded up a litlle. For 3 time's in a row the errors came up.  T

the crackling sound in the 10 min appeart 3 time's.

I made pic's also what was happening with Taakbeheer!! Look at the time right.. All of this in less than 10  min.



Pic 3 the first error (did not put in the same errors 2 and 3)
Pic's 4 and 5 crackling sound first time and second time.

EDIT: 21:00 uur Ok right now it happend 6 time's that the errors come up in 10 min time. ( Strangly no crackling right now) 

EDIT: 21.35 Crackling apears with .wav cd from Eva Cassidy all song long. Till the end and than with the next track played normal. (pic6)

EDIT:21.45 Again crackling Eva.
EDIT:21.47 Crackling.

[PeterSt]

Hi Gerard,

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell here, but it looks like : when I stress the system, the sounds degrades.
Yeah, well ... Is it our intention to be able to stress the system and maintain good SQ now ?

If I misunderstood your message, please say so ...
Btw, if you are starting a process during playback, this is out of control of "Appointing Processor Cores", and they will interfere with playback (being the right (2nd) core).

Sliding the cursor towards the end of the track (in the area of 10 seconds near the end of it) confuses the "mechanism", so let's say it's not fair to do that (I think that's somewhere in the Release Notes, if that matters at all ).

Alltogether it is difficult to talk in the context of what you are doing with the PC, while obviously (??) it is not the intention at all to do such things.
But again, maybe I misunderstood.

Peter

[PeterSt]

This is how it should look like at doing "normal" :

[Gerard]

Hi Gerard,

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell here, but it looks like : when I stress the system, the sounds degrades.
Yeah, well ... Is it our intention to be able to stress the system and maintain good SQ now ?

If I misunderstood your message, please say so ...
Btw, if you are starting a process during playback, this is out of control of "Appointing Processor Cores", and they will interfere with playback (being the right (2nd) core).

Sliding the cursor towards the end of the track (in the area of 10 seconds near the end of it) confuses the "mechanism", so let's say it's not fair to do that (I think that's somewhere in the Release Notes, if that matters at all ).

Alltogether it is difficult to talk in the context of what you are doing with the PC, while obviously (??) it is not the intention at all to do such things.
But again, maybe I misunderstood.

Peter

Peter with this i mean exactly what you are saying. I began noticing that than the errors come up more. And i think i am not the only one who does some stressing (more or less)  with there pc. So everyone may know now that when they are doing a lot/less that this can happen.

( Even writing a post give's pike's in taakbeheer)

When i do not slide the errors also come up. So sliding really does not bring up the errors more often.

Sometime's even when i do not stress the sysstem than sometime's the crackling and the errors come up. But not so much. So maybe the pc is doing something i/whe do not know of. And with this maybe whe could find out.??

The reason i began doing this is that than maybe whe find the real reason for those errors.... And maybe you or someone else has a good idear when reading this.? Just trying.

But i will stop now.... 

[PeterSt]

Sometime's even when i do not stress the sysstem than sometime's the crackling and the errors come up. But not so much. So maybe the pc is doing something i/whe do not know of. And with this maybe whe could find out.??

The reason i began doing this is that than maybe whe find the real reason for those errors....

Ah, ok, clear.
Yeah, well, it is obvious that you are not the only one, so for sure something is going on. But also, in the context of what you are saying / proved, there's this :

It was me who always told that Vista/Engine#3 could not be stressed in any way that it would matter. But but but :
Since 0.9m(-1) and the appointment of processor cores I would express the opposite : while Engine#3 is not allowed to divide its tasks between the cores *AND* when new processes are started after Engine#3 running ... they will be appointed by the OS to the 2nd core (because the 1st core is already much more busy, see pics), and it will influence Engine#3 directly.

Do note though that this is from off 0.9m(-1) and not from off a later version.
Just trying to find an explanation ...

[Gerard]

Sometime's even when i do not stress the sysstem than sometime's the crackling and the errors come up. But not so much. So maybe the pc is doing something i/whe do not know of. And with this maybe whe could find out.??

The reason i began doing this is that than maybe whe find the real reason for those errors....

Ah, ok, clear.
Yeah, well, it is obvious that you are not the only one, so for sure something is going on. But also, in the context of what you are saying / proved, there's this :

It was me who always told that Vista/Engine#3 could not be stressed in any way that it would matter. But but but :
Since 0.9m(-1) and the appointment of processor cores I would express the opposite : while Engine#3 is not allowed to divide its tasks between the cores *AND* when new processes are started after Engine#3 running ... they will be appointed by the OS to the 2nd core (because the 1st core is already much more busy, see pics), and it will influence Engine#3 directly.

Do note though that this is from off 0.9m(-1) and not from off a later version.
Just trying to find an explanation ...

This explains a lot to me...  So maybe when we like to do someting else and listening whe have to open the other thing before XX.

Diffucult job you have  (But nice i think)

Grtzzz