Playback stopped because data didn`t arrived in time

[JohanZ]

The *message* is new. Stopping or not should be unchanged.

I have the impression that with the same settings in both versions, the latest version hardly starts playing. I get every time this "Playback stopped because data didn`t arrived in time" message. I will test both versions again this evening.

Your suggestion to disabling the page file is a solution for this "time problem" message?

Please answer this question?

[PeterSt]

Johan, I now see that you referred to something like 0.9z-8-1e which does not exist, and not 0.9z-8-1a. So now I am unsure of changes since then. Still I don't think they exist.
If you are sure the settings are the same, try it the other way around : apply your settings from 0.9z-8-2 to 0.9z-8e and see what happens in the latter.

Please answer this question?

No. What can I now say more about any suggestion which is a suggestion. And otherwise read that post where you obtained your question from again, maybe.

Peter

[JohanZ]

....you referred to something like 0.9z-8-1e which does not exist, and not 0.9z-8-1a.

My mistake, i mean 0.9z-8e.

[nik.d]

I have seen subject message only twice until now and think it is PC power settings related, HDD power settings to be more precise.

Both cases: selected (some) album for playback but did not started playback immediately, due to phone call (today) or other reason (cannot remember
first time, could be typing some mail). Pressing 'Play' button after several minutes resulted with no music but above message. Wallpaper was
shown OK (playing unattended & min OS)

[juanpmar]

... I´ll disable the page file and see if it solves the problem.

Juan

Some people have asked me how to disable the page file. Please follow these steps:

Go to Control Panel>System and Security>System>Advanced system settings>Advanced>Performance, click on Settings...>Advanced>Virtual Memory, click on Change...> uncheck the box Automatically manage paging file...and check No paging file, click on Set> Ok, Ok and reboot the PC.

It solved the problem at least with an album (Anita Baker-Sweet Love. 96kHz/768kHz) and so far I haven´t found more problems on this regard. So disabling the page file seems to have solved the problem here.

Juan

[juanpmar]

as Peter said to make it works PA needs to be disabled but at the same time that´s a shame because the SQ is worse.

Hi Juan,

I am sure it will be a language problem or symantics otherwise, but no way I will have said or will ever say something like "hey dude, to make it work, just disengage Phase Alignment - Done !". No way.

I am sure you don't meant to express it like this, but again language or symantics make at least me read it like this.

So ... not using Phase Alignment will help, but no way I advise it as the solution. I hope this is clear !

Regards,
Peter

Yes Peter, you're right, my words can lead to confusion, I fully understand that disabling the PA was not your recommendation to solve the problem and that you simply said that it happens (sometimes) only with Phase Alignment engaged. That was a bad interpretation of your words from my side, sorry.

Juan

[PeterSt]

I have seen subject message only twice until now and think it is PC power settings related, HDD power settings to be more precise.

Both cases: selected (some) album for playback but did not started playback immediately, due to phone call (today) or other reason (cannot remember
first time, could be typing some mail). Pressing 'Play' button after several minutes resulted with no music but above message. Wallpaper was
shown OK (playing unattended & min OS)

Also a nice one. But this should be another version of it all and it is difficult for me to reason out how it would work. Should be something like :

A first reference to the data is still available in some "OS buffer" *) while in practice the disk concerned has spun down. The availability of this first reference allows the program to see that all is OK but at a first next track (load) part the disk has to spin up.

*) Compare this somewhat to Explorer showing the contents of a disk right away, while in the mean time -when you click deeper- you must wait for the disk to spin up.
Not the exact same situation (were it for "buffers"), but it may bring across what -sort of- can be happening.

Peter

[juanpmar]

The message has appeared again when I turned up the volume on the fly for a few seconds, no problem if it is just a short Alt+U click to turn it up for only -1,5db. I know that there was some problems with Alt+U but I do not remember if it had to do with this matter.

Juan

[PeterSt]

Juan, well thought. But not related (that Alt-U) because the only thing currently going on with that is using "huge" buffer sizes (like 30 x 20+ x 4096) and then parts are not played or repeated. This is what I said over a week ago (could be in the Release Notes), and that is all. Not applicable to your situation I think.

However, your report about this (I have never seen that myself) smells like the the disk being accessed with the original music data which is something I feel myself from other happenings and would be a bug somewhere. Regarding this, what is your exact situation when this happens ? I mean, file type (like FLAC), play without Playback disk (you said that recently), always copy to XX drive - you get the hunch.
And your SFS and buffer sizes in this case.

Let me know when you have some spare time ...
Regards,
Peter

[juanpmar]

However, your report about this (I have never seen that myself) smells like the the disk being accessed with the original music data which is something I feel myself from other happenings and would be a bug somewhere. Regarding this, what is your exact situation when this happens ? I mean, file type (like FLAC), play without Playback disk (you said that recently), always copy to XX drive - you get the hunch.
And your SFS and buffer sizes in this case.

Let me know when you have some spare time ...
Regards,
Peter

Peter, that happened with the album Aziza-Always (16bits/32bits. 44kHz/705kHz) and it is stored as wav files. I´m currently playing wit a Playback drive because playing directly from the hdd where the originals files are causes frequents stops. I´m not using Copy to XX drive and the page file is disabled. The other settings can be seen in my sig.

The message appeared again with other album, this time with Dion Best Ballades (16bit/32bit. 96kHz/768kHz) also wav files and with all settings being the same as with the Aziza album. In this case the message appeared just at the start of the first song and this is what I did: I went to the same window where I disabled the page file: System Properties>Advanced>Performance> Settings... and in Performance Options I marked "Adjust for best performance" clicking only "Smooth edges of screen fonts" (to get a better appearance). Later in XX I marked "Don´t do anything with Coverart" (before I had marked "Show as Wallpaper") and finally I moved a little up and down the volume level. I don´t know what part of this whole thing worked but after doing it the album played with no stops and the message was gone. Please ask if you need more information.

Juan

[juanpmar]

Well, the previous example of Celine Dion Best Balladas sometimes works sometimes not. I have to try several times making the process described in the previous post, charging also another album before this one (as trying to fool XX) and rebooting XX. At the end after some tries it works again but I couldn´t say how to follow an exact procedure to make it works.

Juan

[JohanZ]

apply your settings from 0.9z-8-2 to 0.9z-8e and see what happens in the latter.

I did a compare of the two versions in attented mode. Indeed more or less the same behaviour. The latest version generates this "..didn't arive .." message. Switching PA off works. An other thing that works is lowering the sample rate to 8x (352.800). In that case you can keep PA active. When I change the buffersize from 4096 to 2048 and a sample rate of 16x XXHE is playing without sound. I see this in both versions.
By the way I disabled the Page File without succes.

For me its not clear what caust this problems. Do I have an out of date system? Is 4GB RAM the problem?
Johan

[PeterSt]

By all means, do not forget to switch Off Logging !


Juan, the most logical to have helped will be the "Don't do anything with Coverart". Maybe you can confirm that ?


Johan, I rather do not like to think any system is too old or anything. It is just something "we" don't understand (yet).


Keep in mind people, this all is about preventing loud ticks with Phase Alignment. So the Stop is deliberate; without Phase Alignment you'd have small stops anyway which may go unnoticed but of course it is not good.
Sadly it is also about crossing the limits of our systems which will be different for everybody. But let's say I will try to focus on it and see whether I can impove in this area.

Peter

[Tore]

Page file is disabled and i can play with SFS=1 and Q1=7 again.

Sometimes music stops (and i get the message) when i press next song (Alt-N)

I have a 24/96 FLAC cd i can`t start with this settings, i get the message before it is loaded.

That is sad because i like this settings best.

Tore

[manisandher]

Just to add another data point, I get these messages about once per album. There are some occasions when I don't get them during a whole album, but these are rare.

I haven't played around with any BIOS, OS or XX settings whatsoever so can't really help Peter find the problem. My machine is pretty quick, although I don't use hyper-threading or over-clocking. The OS, XX and music files are all on a single spinning HDD.

Might using a RAMdisk help?

Of course it'll be great when Peter gets to the bottom of this. But quite frankly, the sound is soooo good right now, I don't mind the occasional annoyance of having to restart a track.

Mani.