pistollero
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« on: January 10, 2013, 11:03:54 pm » |
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i have been listening to the same tracks on both and i donīt know what they are doing in spotify but the soundstage is super i can year on my audiotechnica ath-50 phones where the instruments are and itīs so clear. In xxHighend things are clear too but i not have de same soudstage.
anyone have tested the same tracks on both??
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 11:12:02 pm » |
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Hey,
This is a web-service. So, you say that music via web sounds better than via XX locally? I cannot test as Spotify is N/A in my country yet.
Still, I do use Grooveshark and it sounds good, but it does not use KS, it runs via regular Windows audio path. Have not tried to compare Grooveshark sound to XX sound.
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pistollero
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 11:50:35 pm » |
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the thing i feel is a big soudstage...my phones are closed, they donīt have big soundstage..but in spotify when i ear things around me in space outside my cans.. playing localy i donīt have the same soundstage and separation...
iīm comparing to a streaming service beacause is where i feel diference.. localy the xxhighend is the best player for me.
i donīt know if they use some sort of filter or something..
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PeterSt
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 12:00:43 pm » |
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Play MP3 and notice the same ...
(I'm serious)
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 06:44:01 pm » |
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Play MP3 and notice the same ...
(I'm serious)
hi Peter, do you think they use some sort of filter to produce that soundstage feeling.? |
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 07:10:18 pm » |
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Well, first you could do is find out what's actually "transmitted". I don't know anything about Spottify but it can easily be MP3 of course.
But you better first agree about my MP3 experience. I could be the only one thinking this ...
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 12:45:02 pm » |
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It's been a while since I last posted something here and maybe not good to say, but I have also not used XX for a while, too.
But, now Spotify is in my country and I do listen to it. Well, it sounds hell well - both - on my Android phone via Bluetooth phones (especially in extreme quality. I can afford that as in Latvia we have 6th fastest internet on planet, good coverage of 3G/4G and big enough data plans) as well as on my home (W7 laptop based with JKDAC32) setup (the one I used for XX before). I also use to listen via FM modulator in my car and it still sounds wonderful there. So, they manage to do some magic there...
About Spotify stream - they use OGG Vorbis encoding...
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014, 02:20:50 am » |
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My experience with MP3 is that is has a reduced, greatly reduced, soundstage.
Perhaps Spotify is assuming that listeners are using ear buds and they apply a binaural filter to simulate the soundstage. There is much magic that can be performed with this. I just bought a new car and the faux surround sound is great, with instruments all around.
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