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« on: November 14, 2012, 05:20:24 pm »

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The HPET (High Precision Event Timer) can be available in the BIOS for shutting On and Off. The default, I think, will always be On.
It has come forward in a number of posts in here, but never received explicit attention as an elementary SQ influencing phenomenon. But I think it can be important (and I was guided to it by the same person who came up with the USB3-for-NOS1-trick - just saying ...).

For those who can find it as a setting in their BIOS, and when it is On, can you switch it Off and compare with how you perceived SQ before ?
Do notice : Most probably this implies a few settings only on the XXHighEnd Clock Resolution setting (so, less choices than what you are used to). One of these will be 9.7 (ms) or so. I would try to use that setting first (the maximum number actually).

Curious to learn about the results ...
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 08:32:11 pm »

hello there, i was one of those who did try with HPET off. I can remember big differences in sound quality. But maybe - maybe it was a bit on  the crazy side. Guess i should try again. Remember , even if untrust measure , there was that huge fall down of the latency graph test when the timer was off . Stefano
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 11:10:30 pm »

I have been experimenting a few versions ago with this setting. The difference was quite audible and I preferred the hpet on with win 7. With all changes and additions I should listen again!

The biggest BIOS thing was the downtuning of the on board video though. I even like to listen the OS screenseetings with 16 bits colours in the lowest resolution I can work with.

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 05:50:06 am »

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 08:32:11 pm »

 I can remember big differences in sound quality. But maybe - maybe it was a bit on  the crazy side.

Gave it a try and the difference is substantial and, I think, crazy good. Just about everything I listened too I increased volume one "click", generally 22.5 from 24. First impression is that it 's similar to increasing SFS in that its easier on the ears, but rather than the sound being muffled, as happens with larger SFS's, it became more refined with the timer disabled. Being more refined (less distortion I didn't know I was hearing before????), it is easier on the ears at louder volume. Everything else seemed to get bigger too: sound stage, separation of instruments and voices. At first it was such a big difference that it did sound a bit crazy. After a few hours though it just sounded incredibly good.

Maybe I'll hear it differently tomorrow.....hope not!  Happy
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 09:38:39 am »

My first impression is that switching the HPET Timer off results in better SQ. The soundstage is wider and deeper, and more inviting to listen to details.
I am going to keep this setting for while.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 09:59:12 am »

Eric,

Your emphasis on off looks a bit confusing. Or it might to others. So, I want to again explicitly make clear that people should test with Off. This, while normally it will be On.

Btw, in my (Asus) MoBo there is no such setting in the BIOS (or I can't find it). Still in that case it will be On and it will be for the worse. Well, theoretically ...

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 10:58:47 am »

Peter,
that is exactly what I did: testing with HPET off.
And yes, the default setting was on.
And I like the result in terms of SQ.
So, the tweak works for me in my setup.

I hope your confusion is gone now.
At least on this subject...... Wink.

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 12:57:12 pm »

The max ( HPET off ):


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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 01:43:12 pm »

Is there any way to manually set the clock resolution to 7.8125, cause it's not an option in the clock resolution settings and one has to click away the message Stefan posted above before music will play.

Peter, with my ASUS mb the setting is found in the BIOS by entering the Advanced Mode then clicking on the Advanced Tab at the top of the screen. Then select the PCH Configuration in the drop down menu.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 02:53:56 pm »

I can´t find it either in my Asus X58 Sabertooth mb. Can someone help?

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 03:49:34 pm »

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Is there any way to manually set the clock resolution to 7.8125, cause it's not an option in the clock resolution settings and one has to click away the message Stefan posted above before music will play.

I think the "Max for this system" setting should do the job for now ?
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 07:49:38 pm »

I found the HPET notification in the Bios of my gigabyte motherboards in the power managment setup. I can also hear thr difference: Chopin played by Arthur Rubinstein sounds more clear!

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2012, 02:01:26 pm »

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Is there any way to manually set the clock resolution to 7.8125, cause it's not an option in the clock resolution settings and one has to click away the message Stefan posted above before music will play.

I think the "Max for this system" setting should do the job for now ?

Geeze, how did you get so frickin smart? Of course "Max for this system" works fine. fool

Anyway, this is a very significant tweek in my system. If there is anything that may not be "good", or at least it takes some getting used to,  it is simple vocals accompanied by just a piano or guitar. Rather than the intimate sound of the artist "being in the room," it now sounds like I'm transported to the concert hall with great seats just far enough back from the stage that the amplification is perfectly balanced. However, this sound is so refined and/or delicate that I just want to keep listening.

On the other hand rock bands and orchestras sound like never before, no question that its a nice step up in SQ.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2012, 12:22:49 am »

Here I hear a big improvement too!
It sounds to me like analogue on a level no one can afford, if it exists at all.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 03:30:37 am »

Yes, very analogue. Also, base seems less pronounced, but, like the mids and the highs, much more refined sounding.
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