Due Remote features : URGENT QUESTION to all !

[Calibrator]

He packed some extra vegemite sandwiches in his pouch

Should've given him Marmite...

Mani.

haha .. or Bovril

[TimDH]

Peter- now that I have the dongles... I plan to use my iPad for remote control once new XX is released.  Should I go out and order a Camera Connection Kit for one of the dongles, or will the iPad work just via its native BlueTooth?

Thanks!
Tim

[SeVeReD]

Guys/Peter

I'm sorry if this has been covered.  Peter, you asked me if I wanted the dongles, but I told you I don't see a need for a remote... but is this more than that??  Is there SQ to be considered here?  If so, send me the dongles heheh... or I'll wait and let the choir chime in first.

[PeterSt]

Dave,

It is SQ related only when you want to use that remote. So, currently that would need the LAN to be on, while the dongles allow to do it without that.

Now the other way around :
You don't want to use a remote; can SQ be improved with the dongles ? I think it can ! ... if you only use that remote. So, what would happen is that you use another PC for controlling XXHighEnd, the audio PC left alone for monitor, mouse and keyboard operation. And now it sounds better.
but
Indeed let's wait for others to chime their bells whether this is really true. I don't want to sell useless things.

Peter

[PeterSt]

Peter- now that I have the dongles... I plan to use my iPad for remote control once new XX is released.  Should I go out and order a Camera Connection Kit for one of the dongles, or will the iPad work just via its native BlueTooth?

Hi Tim,

While a camera connection kit can be the most useful in general (was't that providing USB connections ?) it is not necessary at all. But we must be careful here, because it is mighty complicated;
First off the bluetooth of a non-3G model can't be used at all for our purpose. Maybe, very maybe someone who is more smart than I am can get it done (because bluetooth *is* in there), but I really don't think so (I tried hard, but gave up). With a 3G model it *still* is questionable whether it may do what we want (I don't own a 3G model) and chances are very small (say 3 %). For example, my Android (3G) won't do it.

Huh ?

You won't be using Bluetooth from the tablet ...

haha

Something else is needed () of which it is assumed you will have it. Later you will understand why.

[Calibrator]

You won't be using Bluetooth from the tablet ...

haha

Something else is needed () of which it is assumed you will have it. Later you will understand why.

OK .. so from the above, can I assume we won't be using the Bluetooth function on our tablets?

If that is the case can I assume then that WiFi will be used from the tablet to communicate with another PC/Laptop using RDP, and that in turn has one of the dongles installed, and the latter then communicates to the music server (which has the second dongle installed)?

Cheers,

Russ ( slightly baffled )

[PeterSt]

( slightly baffled )

Is that a good or a bad sign ? (meaning : this needs a 100% proper interpretation of "baffled" which is hard for me)

Edit : Depending on your response I may change may answer (to come) haha

[Calibrator]

( slightly baffled )

Is that a good or a bad sign ? (meaning : this needs a 100% proper interpretation of "baffled" which is hard for me)

Edit : Depending on your response I may change may answer (to come) haha

hehe ... meaning that all along the discussions of this remote control, using a Bluetooth device, there was always an assumption ( on my part at least ) that the tablet/phone would be using bluetooth for it's communication. I don't have an issue if an intermediate device is needed (laptop/PC), which I guess in hindsight was the other piece in the puzzle that you thought everyone would have.

Now, when I say I am "slightly baffled", it simply means I don't have all the answers to form the right answer.

per one dictionary meaning:
"Adj.   1.   baffled - perplexed by many conflicting situations or statements"

Cheers,

Russ ( almost enlightened )

[PeterSt]

Haha. Well, my "problem" is that I (sadly) had a slightly different text in my earlier post from today and most probably you have read that. Or at least you can have, and it spoils my fun a bit. But let's put it like this :

Bluetooth is such a huge subject that not even driver "manufacturers" know what to do with it, or what could be useful to implement. And, as far as I have seen, all the Android stuff is based on the same driver, and it can't do what it should do foremost (never mind for now what). Now, supposed you are a bit at home in this Android area, maybe you can find means to replace the standard driver ? if you think means/other drivers exist, don't hesitate to list them all. It is just a matter of trying (which I can and will do). Necessary it is not but it would be more nice or more smart. More exciting. The "RDC software" for what it needs exists.

Don't feel obligated !
Peter


PS: Any idea what the speed of Bluetooth is in your tablet ?

[Calibrator]

PS: Any idea what the speed of Bluetooth is in your tablet ?

The Galaxy Tab 7.7 has a CSR8811 Bluetooth chip onboard, and according to CSR's site it  "offers Bluetooth v3.0 and support for Bluetooth v4.0 with IEEE 802.11 coexistence along with Wideband Speech".

According to wikipedia:

Bluetooth Version 3.0 + HS of the Bluetooth Core Specification was adopted by the Bluetooth SIG on April 21, 2009. Bluetooth 3.0+HS provides theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, though not over the Bluetooth link itself. Instead, the Bluetooth link is used for negotiation and establishment, and the high data rate traffic is carried over a collocated 802.11 link.

The Bluetooth SIG completed the Bluetooth Core Specification version 4.0, which includes Classic Bluetooth, Bluetooth high speed and Bluetooth low energy protocols. Bluetooth high speed is based on Wi-Fi, and Classic Bluetooth consists of legacy Bluetooth protocols. This version has been adopted as of June 30, 2010.

Bluetooth is intrinsically slower that WiFi, and I presume the majority of the data transmission between the dongles will be screen refresh information. As long as it can keep up with that requirement everything should be fine, as your testing is proving.

Replacing drivers on a Android device isn't quite as straight forward, as say, on a PC, I understand. Because the hardware is static, all drivers etc. get incorporated in either the Kernel or System ROM's, and customising those is something I can't imagine most users would want to delve into.

Cheers,

Russ (awaiting the arrival of his homing platypus)

[Calibrator]

Percy, my pet platypus, delivered my dongles today, and the nerd in me had to find out about then, so after a bit of investigation, figured out the manufacturer of the chipset and the model. I can post a link to the chipset page if Peter gives the OK, but he may prefer it to be kept  .

Suffice to say that the dongle uses a very good chipset design and should perform well over a good distance.

Looking forward to putting them into action

Cheers,

Russ

[PeterSt]

G'day there Russ,

Oh, I know all about the chipset and manufacturer and everything, so it is not about that. It is about the Android side. So, I know little about that, and a brief investigation brought me no further than what you just told me. So, nothing much to do there I guess, and then Android supports a few functions only (and not the one I want). And notice, since this is largely about the chipset itself, possibly the chipset in any tablet won't allow for it anyway. Or one (brand/type) does and the other does not. Like the laptops I tried (and where I can install any driver all right); they don't do the job neither.
But it's okay; it will work by the means I have set it up.

Thanks a lot for your time,
Peter

[andreitour]

received the dongles today

[PeterSt]

Hi all,

By now I like to know who did not receive his dongles yet. And for those who respond with "me not !" please say so in here when you did after all.

No worries for anyone who did not receive anything yet. Max I ever encountered to the other side of the world by normal mail was 5 weeks. Of course for 2 weeks I then thought that the letter was lost. But nothing got lost so far ever in my situation.

Thanks,
Peter

[nik.d]

Hi Peter,

As in e-mail corresp. last wk, it's still "Me Not!"   

Brgds