Problems with Gallery creation

[Calibrator]

hey there Pete, I spent some keyboard time today at the study PC playing with a really old batch of previously ripped albums. This was with 0.9z-5. There were a couple of points from your last few posts that I picked up on that may well have been the missing clues I needed to fully understand how these albums are now handled, so give me a few more days to play before I start inundating you with examples that don't work. It may well turn out that some minor revisions to my namings may get things in order, but it's going to take a little time still.

As always, thanks for your efforts.

Russ (master of chaos )

 

[PeterSt]

Thank you so much Russ. But, now it would be my advise to hold on a little until 0.9z-5-1, because I *know* of some bugs, and they will be solved in there. It is quite useless to perform explicit testing (which as I said, really takes time on this matter), you seeing all kind of vaguening problems, while overhere they have vanished already. I'd really like it better to let you not look through this vagueness.
I'm trying to put it up today, but I think I said the same last Saturday (ok, when I didn't plan to work on this subject ... this is how things go).

Peter (second degreed in Chaostry)

[Eric]

I did spend quite some time trying to understand what is happening before I started this thread.
XXHE clearly distinguishes between folder names that contain at least one "-" character, and those that do not. Furthermore, names that contain a dot/numeric in the last 3 positions behave differently (??, a bug?). If a name starts with "Various", it is also handled differently.
So, many combinations with many results. Ready for a Decision Matrix approach. A nice challenge for Peter.
Hope this helps.

I will HTH until 0.9z-5-1 is available.
Cheers
Eric   

[PeterSt]

About that dot/numeric ... I don't think I know that one !

Is the behaviour of both the same ? and what actually happens ?

As always, thank you Eric. And apologizes for not even laying out how all works, which happened because of one time not having time for the Release Notes. Not good.

Peter

[Calibrator]

Furthermore, names that contain a dot/numeric in the last 3 positions behave differently (??, a bug?).

Indeed. I noticed this also while experimenting with a Yo-Yo Ma boxset earlier today.

For example:

12_Beethoven~ Complete Sonatas for Cello and Piano, Vol. 2
16_Mozart~ Divertimento, K. 563
19_Beethoven~ Complete Sonatas for Cello and Piano, Vol. 3
22_Mozart~ Adagio and Fugue in C Minor, Schubert~ String Quartet No. 15

will cause an issue, whereas if you simply drop the "." near the end, to end up with:

12_Beethoven~ Complete Sonatas for Cello and Piano, Vol 2
16_Mozart~ Divertimento, K 563
19_Beethoven~ Complete Sonatas for Cello and Piano, Vol 3
22_Mozart~ Adagio and Fugue in C Minor, Schubert~ String Quartet No 15

all will get processed in the same manner as the others in the boxset. Not that boxsets are currently working faultlessly, but the examples above were just to illustrate the "dot at the end of the name" bug.

Others chars I have found OK to use are "~", "~ ", " ~ ", "_", "_ ", " _ ", "- ", "[", "]" etc.

Provided you recognise that " - " is a unique combination and is used as a delimiter, you still have a number of special chars at one's disposal to use.

Will await the next version before continuing the pursuit of gallery nirvana

Cheers,

Russ

[Eric]

Peter,
The following text was posted by me on November 12, 2009.

That is correct. The position of the DOT can be like abc.d   or  ab.cd  or  a.bcd! For example, a name like Beethoven Pianoconcerto No.1 is presentimg a problem (because of the No.1). If more than 1 such a name is in the result list, say 3, than all 3 albums are displayed with the artwork from the very 1st album in the result list (upper left corner).
Just try for yourself!

Just a hunch: could it be related to what we are looking at now?

Cheers,
Eric

[PeterSt]

Ok, here is the original topic about that dot thing : 0.9y-4 Bug in showing folder in Library area.

I really don't know anymore whether I ever solved - or tried to solve this, but since I don't recall it, we better think not. But now I have a problem with recreating this. I have the feeling that you (both) are not telling it all.

If the last 4 characters in the name of an album contains a dot ".", the artwork shown in the Library area is not right.

This is what you originally said Eric. Well, whatever I do (ask for vol.1 in the text box at the bottom), all appears correctly. Vol.2 too btw. The no.1 example won't work here, because I don't seem to have anything ending with that.

Are you sure you are still talking about how this shows in the Library Area ? Or is it about creating Galleries from this ?
And oh, I am *looking* at Gallery results (maybe that's why I don't see it ?) ... but all of the other (Originals) is tedious ...

Also, at least Russ seems to imply this is about how a "Box set" structure is setup. But I don't do it that way ... or maybe sometimes, but few sonatas here.

Help !

[PeterSt]

XXHE clearly distinguishes between folder names that contain at least one "-" character

True. Although that would be " - " (so, spaces around it).
It's the generally appreciated separation between Artist Name and Album Name. So that's how it's applied.

[PeterSt]

If a name starts with "Various", it is also handled differently.

Not that I know of. What I do know though (by now) is that a self-created (by XX) \Various\ folder is dealt with wrongly at ReDo.

I could not solve this by eliminating this "Various" self-creation (I need an Artist Name !), but instead I now solved it by changing a

\20 Beautiful Christmas Songs\

into

\Various - 20 Beautiful Christmas Songs\

This is less impacting (for you) in the mean time.
And far less complicated for me in the end.
Lastly it's just this other means (see earlier post) of that one of the two means to structure - of which you will be having them mixed anyway. And if you'd be using the "Artist Name" = folder means only, this again would be more satisfying for you than doing it the other way around.

I hope I'm right on this ...

[Eric]

Ok, here is the original topic about that dot thing : 0.9y-4 Bug in showing folder in Library area.

I really don't know anymore whether I ever solved - or tried to solve this, but since I don't recall it, we better think not. But now I have a problem with recreating this. I have the feeling that you (both) are not telling it all.

If the last 4 characters in the name of an album contains a dot ".", the artwork shown in the Library area is not right.

This is what you originally said Eric. Well, whatever I do (ask for vol.1 in the text box at the bottom), all appears correctly. Vol.2 too btw. The no.1 example won't work here, because I don't seem to have anything ending with that.

Are you sure you are still talking about how this shows in the Library Area ? Or is it about creating Galleries from this ?
And oh, I am *looking* at Gallery results (maybe that's why I don't see it ?) ... but all of the other (Originals) is tedious ...

Also, at least Russ seems to imply this is about how a "Box set" structure is setup. But I don't do it that way ... or maybe sometimes, but few sonatas here.

Help !

Peter, no worries, this one you have solved.

I was just wondering if the DOT-bug in Gallery creation has a similar cause.   
Eric

[Eric]

XXHE clearly distinguishes between folder names that contain at least one "-" character

True. Although that would be " - " (so, spaces around it).
It's the generally appreciated separation between Artist Name and Album Name. So that's how it's applied.

So how do you plan do deal with a folder named:
Beethoven - Symphonies 4 & 5 - Hogwood, Academy Of Ancient Music (1987)  ?

Cheers, Eric

[PeterSt]

Thank you again Eric.

Well, I plan nothing with that. I mean, you could make anything of such a thing, and how can I (thus XX) know.
The only thing allowed regarding two times a " - " is this :

1987 - Beethoven Symphonies 4 & 5 - Hogwood, Academy Of Ancient Music

or

Beethoven Symphonies 4 & 5 - Hogwood, Academy Of Ancient Music - 1987

because *that* can be sorted out.

But what I might do in such a case is this :

\Beethoven\Beethoven Symphonies 4 & 5 - Hogwood, Academy Of Ancient Music (1987)

This brings a sort of both worlds.
But then I had a reason to ask you to look in the Embedded Explorer and use some of the functions on the righthand side. That brings you fairly fast how things will work out, but mereley - what you should do to let it all work automatically right. The latter, because you can compare with structure (parts) which were applied correctly by you (elsewhere). So this is a kind of auto-learning.
Also notice that one of the explicit reasons to let it work as it works to enable "you" to find stuff as fast as possible outside of just searching (hence typing in that text box at the bottom). To this regard, notice the difference between knowing what you are looking for, vs. browsing until you see something nice (that's the Embedded Explorer - tweaked for audio).

Btw, your example in a Russ-approach could be something like this :

Beethoven - Symphonies 4 & 5 ~ Hogwood, Academy Of Ancient Music (1987)

but it really won't be anything structured (again, see Embedded Explorer !).

Regards,
Peter

[Calibrator]

Also, at least Russ seems to imply this is about how a "Box set" structure is setup.

Yes, it's within a boxset that i noticed the "quirk"

I've attached a couple of text files showing the file structure of that boxset ( just part of it ) and the resultant file structure of the gallery created from it. Note the albums where those "dot" names exist (discs 05,12 and 16). The flac files from those three have all been grouped together under a single folder name and the folder/back.jpg's are from disc 05 of the set.

It's probably because the music files are effectively 3 levels deep from the artist , but thought it worth spending a few minutes to show you what I'm seeing here with this example.

I won't proceed any further with this analysis until the new version comes out.

Cheers,

Russ

[PeterSt]

Russ, this is great. I actually have been very much tempted to ask for exactly this, but couldn't reason out how much trouble it would be to create it (isolated, including the examples).

I will definitely use this to sort out things further !

Cheers,
Peter

[PeterSt]

I actually have been very much tempted to ask for exactly this

Ok, almost ...

I am not even sure how it will work out on my side without having the actual albums (although, I might, by accident), but when you are this far anyway, how hard would it be for you to post a zip/rar of the Gallery itself, even up to the Library Result of the source ?

I think you could go about like this :

a. You have the sources already isolated and thus can ask for it in the Library Area;
and/or
b. You have created a Gallery from this (with the \Various\ now in there).

In either case there's also the phenomenon "Library Result" (or is it Gallery Result ?), meaning that whatever is in the Library Area can be saved as a Gallery again. You can do this for a. as well as b. separately.

When you post this, I can just "load it" (meaning : copy to disk and ask for it as a Gallery), apply my changes and compare, post them back for out mutual judgement, and finally come up with an agreed solution.

Notice that you can ask back a Saved Library/Gallery Result by means of rightclick on that little button at the bottom, next to the "..." button (I do this by heart).
Yes, now I think of it, this is the way how I must read it in, and next save as a Gallery again. Then I'd have exactly the same as you have there.
Ok ... this needs to post the .GLXX files ...

ehhm ... which is what you just did ?? the result would be pretty much the same I think ...