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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2011, 11:43:13 am » |
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Peter, do you have any logical explanation why HDD could be better choice as a OS base? I don't see one, especially that SSD is two times faster, 100x times better access time and draws lot less power.
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« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2011, 12:26:11 pm » |
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I think Peter said something about the OS maybe "keeping an eye" on the SSD memory cells as an overhead that did something that wasn't there with the hard-drives?
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« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2011, 01:00:41 pm » |
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I did not mean to imply that having more weight in Vista means that it has punchier, stronger or more dynamic bass.Win 7 has more of all of that. However, I think more weight and darker sounding (to me at least) means that the balance in sound is tilted toward the bass area whereas W7 sounds more open so midrange and treble becomes a bit more pronounced. Kind of like hot chocolate for Vista vs latte, perhaps!  Both smooth and creamy but not quite so dark or weighty! Sorry my Starbuck vocaburary generally only has hot chocolate and frappucino, I have absolutely no idea whatever else they serve! |
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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2011, 02:10:01 pm » |
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sound is tilted toward the bass area whereas W7 sounds more open so midrange and treble becomes a bit more pronounced. Within itself I would agree with this. But the funny (?) thing is, that the bass becomes more separate because of that too (a virtue). But I guess this depends much on the system, and how it produces the bass to begin with (jitter will be important here, I think). |
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« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2011, 02:51:41 pm » |
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I forgot to mention that on Weiss INT202, there is a DPC latency checker function. With Vista, I consistantly get DPC latency of around 300+ us but since I switched to Win7, DPC latency is consistantly under 150 us. However, that was also before SP1 was installed so it probably is not the main reason for sound quality
but W7 is certainly doing something!
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« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2011, 11:37:51 am » |
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HDD can't be better than SSD unless there's somethig seriously wrong with system making hdd sounds better than ssd. RAM OS is even better but sadly it's not possible.
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« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2011, 11:39:59 am » |
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Peter, do you have any logical explanation why HDD could be better choice as a OS base? I don't see one, especially that SSD is two times faster, 100x times better access time and draws lot less power. Maybe this explains it. It is about sd cards but the techniques might be the same: It turned out that the problem was the flash-card. While reading from the SDHC-card, every time I jumped to the FAT in order to look where the next cluster of data would be, there was a huge current surge from the supply. As the FAT has to be looked up regularly there was a very bad jitter correlation.
I learned that this was not only a problem for the one card I was using, but it is a problem inherent in all SD-cards. Whenever you have to change the reading location (i.e. jump to FAT) there will be a jerk in the supply, causing a significant and badly correlated amount of jitter. to read the full story: http://www.altmann.haan.de/tera_player/default.htm |
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« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2011, 08:31:47 pm » |
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XXHighEnd is THE best buy in Hi-Fi. Thank U Peter!
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« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2011, 11:27:30 pm » |
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A funny observation today: XX plays at half speed. This happens with 96 and 192 kHz material when NOT upsampled to 384. Playing it at native (same) sample rate, it is only half speed!
Also, sometimes I get a slight scratching sound in the right channel. It happens only when I play upsampled the 384. Pushing start/stop track in XX, removes the noise. Lowering the (up)sampling frequency one step (to 192) removes the problem too. It seems that the playback is more "fragile" at 384.
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« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2011, 12:06:09 am » |
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Well Icame across this thread last night and decided to download all the updates because I don't know where to get SP1 (microsoft website?). Since I only use this PC for music it had no updates at all installed. After I downloaded all the updates and rebooted... totally different presentation. What I heard was a more pronounded mids and high frequencies. Very clear and sweet (due to my speakers). Very open. Like a flower opening in bloom (ha, i should write for 6moons!). This actually was a night and day difference. In comparison before the music was duller, uninvolving, somewhat recessed. This all happened late last night and I am in the middle of installing active crossover w/ full range speakers so I need to make sure tonight that I did not accidentally reset some settings when I reboot or anything like that.
... oh i just read Suteetat's post. I agree completely. that is what I heard...
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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2011, 02:05:46 am » |
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Well Icame across this thread last night and decided to download all the updates because I don't know where to get SP1 (microsoft website?) yes: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=C3202CE6-4056-4059-8A1B-3A9B77CDFDDA&displaylang=en(english OS required i think) |
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OrigenAE H5 case | E5300 fanless | 8GB RAM | Winmate DC-DC fanless PSU | OS on SSD | Renesas USB3 pcie card | Belden highspeed usb cable | Audio-gd dac19 NOS with sigxer F1 | My_ref_FE mono amps | Albedo Apex speakers
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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2011, 08:57:09 am » |
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A funny observation today: XX plays at half speed. This happens with 96 and 192 kHz material when NOT upsampled to 384. Playing it at native (same) sample rate, it is only half speed!
Also, sometimes I get a slight scratching sound in the right channel. It happens only when I play upsampled the 384. Pushing start/stop track in XX, removes the noise. Lowering the (up)sampling frequency one step (to 192) removes the problem too. It seems that the playback is more "fragile" at 384.
Or maybe it's related to my settings? (see signature).
To my own experience there are some combinations which are not covered for as should. So far I didn't bother because I just switch OFF all the "is NOS1 384" things, and all will play normal. The scratching sound I recognize too, and I solved it (but others should hear it too ??). ... But I start to be afraid now that I lost track of what I did for what reason and when, and that I really should have put out 0.9z-4 before NOS1's went out. I mean, I am sure I "needed to", but never did because of the hectic in the mean time. Fully working on 0.9z-4 again now though ... Peter |
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2011, 10:12:25 am » |
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Good to hear Peter. If you need somebody helping you in the testing area, please don't hesitate to ask  Cheers Eric |
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« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2011, 03:31:32 pm » |
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Personally I think that the upgrade in SQ has nothing to do with the fact that microsoft spended time on audio.  Its more like an hotfix for something completly different, that ofcourse infected SQ (again). must be: Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB979538) Update type: Recommended Install this update to prevent unexpected shutdowns or bluescreens when you are using a USB video device. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer. More information: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/979538or Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2443685) Update type: Important Install this update to resolve issues caused by revised daylight saving time and time zone laws in several countries. This update enables your computer to automatically adjust the computer clock on the correct date in 2011. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer. More information: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2443685 |
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