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« Reply #120 on: January 10, 2011, 04:17:04 pm » |
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May be you should try to explain otherwise stating that other people are too ignorant to understand your science is not a way to make constructive discussion.
Try to be constructive WindowsX, following your statements for several weeks now, it never seems to end. Discussions = good Ignorant non-constuctive shouting = no good |
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« Reply #121 on: January 10, 2011, 04:49:09 pm » |
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I took deep length of research about how CD Transport works in level of hiend reference class combining with knowledge from data communication, OS and hardware architecture like computer/electronic. I can give you explanation why powercord or resonance and vibration control affect ripped information but you wouldn't understand in a way that you should be. It's like explanation nature phenomenon to someone who doesn't study physic. Let's put it in simpler way, assuming c2/cache/SOHA/etc. can make perfect rip, we wouldn't need Esoteric P-01/DCS Scarlatti transport in audiophile market  May be you should try to explain otherwise stating that other people are too ignorant to understand your science is not a way to make constructive discussion. Physics is not so exotic a subject, I am sure many people here have heard of it or even study it as well! I'm not saying they're ignorant but not all knowledge can be archived without proper study and practice. If you have good fundamental knowledge about data communication, electronic, circuit design and hardware/software architecture, I think it will suffice for understanding. Also, Kent Poon is talented and respected sound engineer but he isn't god of digital audio. Try your own experiments and see if it's true or not. It's not that hard for switching powercord from stock ones to premium ones and see if it really affect ripping or not. It's even easier than understanding why powercord affect ripped information. Make sure you use decent PSU like $100-200 ones at least. ultra low-noise toroidal linear PSU would be highly recommended if possible. |
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« Reply #122 on: January 10, 2011, 05:00:58 pm » |
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It's even easier than understanding why powercord affect ripped information. Wrong. I just said something about that. Instead of responding to it (very relevant for this) you repeat yourself again. So ... |
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« Reply #123 on: January 10, 2011, 05:23:19 pm » |
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WindowsX, we all here have achieved bit perfect read out of a cd. We want to help you, to get this too. Why aren't you listening to us? Just try EAC and configure it correct (offset!). Then change what ever you want, if there is still a difference in the files, we can see what is the problem. But still ,as peter said, there can be a difference in sound of the same files. But as long as they are equal, the problem is not the file itself.
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« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2011, 05:44:52 pm » |
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I tried tons of EAC configurations with accuraterip too. I wouldn't say EAC is bad because I used to use it until recently that I found something else is wrong with EAC in resolving system. What I want isn't there with EAC. If you don't mind, you can post your EAC configuration and how you setup your ripper in here and I'll try in my place to see if that helps.
To be precise, PSU affect the outcome not just powercord so getting perfect rip is practically impossible or Plextor Premium 2 would be just overstatement.
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« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2011, 06:02:46 pm » |
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Explain what is wrong, post the files !!!! http://blowfish.be/eac/Rip/rip1.htmlsee my log in prevoius post, tons of EAC configurations ???.............. there is only 1 proper setup, see guide or, just rip anyway you like, send the recently found different sounding albums to me, i will sort out crc and offsets ! Please dont repeat yourself AGAIN. |
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« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2011, 06:03:19 pm » |
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You can use the settings Audiodidakt posted one page before. The read out offset must be chosen for your drive. You can test this with a cd or look into a table. The new EAC does this automatically I think. To be precise, PSU affect the outcome not just powercord so getting perfect rip is practically impossible or Plextor Premium 2 would be just overstatement. The advantage of the Plextor Premium 2 is its writing ability! I have a 150€ Powersupply in my PC and a 1€ Plextor CD-writer Good luck! |
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« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2011, 06:07:43 pm » |
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You can use the settings Audiodidakt posted one page before. The read out offset must be chosen for your drive. You can test this with a cd or look into a table. The new EAC does this automatically I think.
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« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2011, 06:10:40 pm » |
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Explain what is wrong, post the files !!!! http://blowfish.be/eac/Rip/rip1.htmlsee my log in prevoius post, tons of EAC configurations ???.............. there is only 1 proper setup, see guide or, just rip anyway you like, send the recently found different sounding albums to me, i will sort out crc and offsets ! Please dont repeat yourself AGAIN. That's what I was using and tried something else for drive configuration when I change my drive to rip. If perfect rip is real then $50 dvd drive should make identical performance to Plextor Premium or 2. But sadly, reality hurts. Even the same Plextor premium can't make the same sound if comes from different year.....or have different TLA number. Believe what you want but what you did are all tried in mine. |
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« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2011, 06:13:31 pm » |
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And he repeats himself again.  I'am out........ |
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« Reply #130 on: January 10, 2011, 06:18:47 pm » |
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I said I already tried what you posted but that's not that I can expect. Depth and inner details for harmonics are all gone comparing to others.
I'll send you ripped Kent Poon track 1 from EAC/Plextools/etc. when I get back for you to findout then.
Anyway, I have Perfect Sound 2010 ripped by Plextools which I believe it's better than EAC for overall sound. Do you have this?
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« Reply #131 on: January 10, 2011, 06:38:46 pm » |
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Dont send tracks, rather send whole albums !
2 albums, one you think sounds right and one you think has lesser dynamics.
Only send albums with cue and log. (if possible)
I can setup this myself, if this is what it takes. (I have several drives and ripping software incl. plextools)
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« Reply #132 on: January 10, 2011, 07:22:54 pm » |
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I'm on countryside right now and will be back in next week so can't do it right now.
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« Reply #133 on: January 10, 2011, 07:34:38 pm » |
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You can use the settings Audiodidakt posted one page before. The read out offset must be chosen for your drive. You can test this with a cd or look into a table. The new EAC does this automatically I think.
I can compare crc's even if the offsets are wrong. (in most cases) It is much more convincing if you can compare every single bit by yourself by using hexcompare. Same crc is also not 100% proof they are identical, that is what I read at least. That's what I was using and tried something else for drive configuration when I change my drive to rip. If perfect rip is real then $50 dvd drive should make identical performance to Plextor Premium or 2. But sadly, reality hurts. Even the same Plextor premium can't make the same sound if comes from different year.....or have different TLA number. Maybe it hurts, that money can not buy everything. It is not us that have a problem buying a Plextor Premium. Be sure, I would buy if it had any advantage. As I said, Plextor Premium 2 is a HIGHEND BURNER. IT HAS SUPERIOR BURNING ABILITIES. But YOU seem to have a PROBLEM reading TEXT accurate Believe what you want but what you did are all tried in mine. Look windowsx, the difference is, I KNOW IT. |
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« Reply #134 on: January 10, 2011, 08:13:37 pm » |
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Well, I didn't use Plextor Premium 2 as I don't think it'll worth for ripping alone as you think. I tried comparing between original master file and ripped ones for Kent Poon and Plextor Premium with Plextools is quite satisfying. Some people told me he tried putting drive on stuff like symposium or woodblock and archive different result too. It's not like I do or don't believe in his statement but that's what he found and try to share with me. If you're curious, try it. Otherwise, leave it |
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