Josef
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« on: December 05, 2010, 05:40:22 pm » |
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I was rather ill past couple days and had to stay in bed... As I had nothing better to do I played with jplay and to my complete surprise found couple more things that apparently no other PC player is doing at the moment so I decided to try them out and see if they made a difference... Attached is small Sunday gift to everyone: 'New & improved' jplay but this time in _both_] 32 & 64-bit native versions. Oh, yeah - some people claim that native 64 sounds better! (Ah - It was about time for another controversy!  ) But hey, talk is cheap, so if you have Win7 64 or Vista 64 (=recommended) now you can try both versions yourself - Just like with previous experiment they are completely identical! (in terms of source code, of course). Those with 32-bit OS won't be able to run 64-bit version and test this - sorry. Nevertheless, please do give 32-bit version a try - you just might find it worth your while... Just unzip proper package for your OS, copy your WAVs in same folder and type 'play' from command prompt OR, simply double-click play.bat Again, please share your thoughts & have fun! |
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Marcin_gps
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 05:59:27 pm » |
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At this stage I'm sure that 64-bit sounds better than XXHE in any configuration. Sorry Peter, but if you implement Josef's memory management and force 1ms timer, things might be totally different. Can't wait to hear it. Great times are coming for pc audio  Cheers, Marcin |
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Gerard
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 07:42:31 pm » |
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Hi Josef, I do not get your player to play. I have done what you asked (d) but still i get message (s) Any idears? Thanx |
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Januari 2017 XX 2.05
OriginAE x11v Home build HTCP ~ Asus x79 mobo 3930K 12 core underclock 500 MHz,
16GB, *Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0* *from RAM*, music on music server / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *0.10* (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core *3-5* / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive *none* (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Not the best (OS from RAM issue) / Time Stability = Off (OS from RAM issue) / Custom Filter Mid 705600 / -> USB3 (Silverstone both sides isolated = Sw#3 of NOS1a = Up) -> *Clairixa USB 15cm* -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 0.70m -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink ->> Metrum Amps ->> Metrum Acoustics ESL Open Baffle.
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goon-heaven
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 07:47:26 pm » |
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Thank you Josef - I hear excellent dynamics, more emotion and still that super clean music on your 64bit JControversy!
I wish you a speedy recovery.
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PeterSt
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 08:29:45 pm » |
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Gerard - Try this right after a reboot. Or did you already ? Otherwise your memory is too fragmented to allow for the large chunks which are allocated (and do the trick). Josef, great stuff. I hope I can keep up ! (spending more on the "DAC" emails I receive than I anticipated upon ). |
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W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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Gerard
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 08:34:35 pm » |
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Gerard - Try this right after a reboot. Or did you already ? Otherwise your memory is too fragmented to allow for the large chunks which are allocated (and do the trick). Josef, great stuff. I hope I can keep up ! (spending more on the "DAC" emails I receive than I anticipated upon ). I did reboot but it does not work  Will try my music pc tomorrow. |
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Januari 2017 XX 2.05
OriginAE x11v Home build HTCP ~ Asus x79 mobo 3930K 12 core underclock 500 MHz,
16GB, *Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0* *from RAM*, music on music server / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *0.10* (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core *3-5* / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive *none* (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Not the best (OS from RAM issue) / Time Stability = Off (OS from RAM issue) / Custom Filter Mid 705600 / -> USB3 (Silverstone both sides isolated = Sw#3 of NOS1a = Up) -> *Clairixa USB 15cm* -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 0.70m -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink ->> Metrum Amps ->> Metrum Acoustics ESL Open Baffle.
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Gerard
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 08:38:01 pm » |
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(spending more on the "DAC" emails I receive than I anticipated upon ). If it goes on like this the dac will be sold out before you can blink your eyes!!  |
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Januari 2017 XX 2.05
OriginAE x11v Home build HTCP ~ Asus x79 mobo 3930K 12 core underclock 500 MHz,
16GB, *Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0* *from RAM*, music on music server / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *0.10* (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core *3-5* / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive *none* (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Not the best (OS from RAM issue) / Time Stability = Off (OS from RAM issue) / Custom Filter Mid 705600 / -> USB3 (Silverstone both sides isolated = Sw#3 of NOS1a = Up) -> *Clairixa USB 15cm* -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 0.70m -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink ->> Metrum Amps ->> Metrum Acoustics ESL Open Baffle.
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Josef
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2010, 08:46:02 pm » |
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Hi Josef, I do not get your player to play. I have done what you asked (d) but still i get message (s) Any idears? Thanx Hi Gerard - Can you double-click 'Lock Pages in memory' (uh, what was that in Dutch again? ) and send THAT screenshot? (you should be listed there) Also - do you have enough RAM i.e. did you maybe make a HUUGE Ramdisk? If so, try making it smaller! |
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Josef
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2010, 09:12:56 pm » |
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Marcin wrote: At this stage I'm sure that 64-bit sounds better than XXHE in any configuration. Goon-heaven wrote: Thank you Josef - I hear excellent dynamics, more emotion and still that super clean music on your 64bit JControversy! Peter wrote: Josef, great stuff. I hope I can keep up ! Wow - thanks guys! I implemented these latest findings just yesterday and have not slept at all last night: it may sound crazy (well, it IS crazy) but I just couldn't get myself to stop listening! I thought I had too much wine (again ) so your fantastic feedback is mucho appreciated! Enjoy the music! |
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Nick
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2010, 09:54:23 pm » |
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Hi,
I have been trying Jplay 1,2 and Deux (32 bit) but not having much luck. When I first tried I was getting an error saying JPlay could not register my sound device (a HiFace) but after switching windows audio back on this went away. Now when I play (trying with JPaly1 so that memory config is not a factor) I get a message saying the JPlay is playing the WAV file but unfortunately no sound.
I guess the program is using the Vista default sound device, I was thinking a vanilla Vista install my help, has anyone got JPlay working with a HiFace so far.
I would really like to give this a go as the results sound very interesting, any thoughts ?
Nick.
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w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
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manisandher
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2010, 11:09:35 pm » |
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Wow - thanks guys! Well, let me add my bit. It sounds really, really nice. The low-level detail is quite astonishing. Well done! Mani PS. Latest listening done with 64-bit version. PPS. It still doesn't like being installed and being run from my RAMDisk... |
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Phasure Mach III (Win 14393.0 on RAM-OS / controlled by RDC, / connected directly to music server / XXHighEnd 2.11 / Minimize OS / Engine#4 Adaptive / DB=4096 / Q1=10 / xQ1=15 / Q3,4,5=1 / SFS=4.00 / XTweaks = 34, 10, 0, 0, 0 / Straight Contiguous / Clock Resolution = 15ms / Scheme 3-5 (low/realtime) / 8x Arc Prediction / switch #5 'up/off' / Unattended) mobo USB3 port -> Lush^3 -> Phasure NOS1a B75 G3 -> 8m Blaxius^2 -> First Watt F5 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horn speakers
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boleary
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2010, 11:22:30 pm » |
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It works here with the hiface, the 32 bit latest version. I haven't tried the earlier versions. Had to get the right username, which took a couple of tries cause I assumed that my administrator designated username would be the correct one, but it wasn't.....Anyway I was surprised when it worked that it set the buffer size with the hiface to 1024: The sound is very good "WASAPI sound" but it lacks the fullness of the lower mids and upper base that I get with XX kernel streaming. Is it being offered as an experiment for memory usage in xx or as an alternative to xx or both? Just wondering........ |
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Josef
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2010, 11:24:04 pm » |
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I guess the program is using the Vista default sound device, I was thinking a vanilla Vista install my help, has anyone got JPlay working with a HiFace so far.
I would really like to give this a go as the results sound very interesting, any thoughts ?
Nick.
Nick - What do see when you right-click your 'loudspeaker' icon in taskbar and select 'Playback Devices'? Is Hi-Face labeled as 'Default'? If not, right-click and say 'Set as default'. See Capture1. If it is, click 'Advanced' and make sure sampling freq is set to 44,100 (does not matter if it's 16 or 24 bits) See Capture2. EDIT - Also see if 44.1 is checked as 'Supported Format' - Capture3 Let us know what you find! |
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Josef
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2010, 11:29:09 pm » |
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.....Anyway I was surprised when it worked that it set the buffer size with the hiface to 1024: Surprised in what way? If you'd like to change buffer size simply type jplay (from command prompt) and then edit play.bat accordingly - seems it can go down to 128 on my Vista 64 setup.... |
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boleary
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2010, 11:57:18 pm » |
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Will give it a try, but I thought that the hiface was limited to a buffer size of 2048?.
Does anyone else find that japlay, though very crisp, clear, and beatiful sounding lacks the lower end "fullness" of XXkernel streaming. Its that fullness that makes xx kernel streaming sound so organic, especially with the lone female voice. My findings were confirmed with the wife test, the true litmus in my livingroom!
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XX2.07/MB: ASRock Extreme 4M , i7-3930K @ 0.5GHz/ RAM-OS W10586/32 Gigs 1600 DDR3/ Clarixa usb cable /Q1,3,4,5 = *14*/1/1/*1* / *Q1Factor = 1* / Peak Extension: Off/Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *.5ms* / Straight Contiguous / SFS = *.02,/ Do Nothing With Cover Art / not Invert / *(Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Real Time / Scheme = 3-5 / UnAttended (Just Start) / *All* Services Off except LAN & RDC/ Persist off/No OSD / No Running Time / Minimize OS / Boost on/XTweaks : Balanced Load = *40* / Nervous Rate = 1/ Cool when Idle = NA / Provide Stable Power = 0 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Best/ Time Stability = On/ No Up-sampling/R-2R DAC
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