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True and wrong  Ramdisk can use memory above 4GB in 32bit OS, leaving all system memory for Windows. So, assuming you have 8GB of RAM installed, your OS utilise 4GB and 4GB goes to ramdisk. I'll check this myself tomorrow and let you know how it works. I suspect it could be even in terms of SQ, because ramdisk won't interfere with system memory. Been there ... done that ... didn't work ! http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1403.msg13521#msg13521I'd be interested to know if you had better success. Russ You probably didn't have PAE enabled... |
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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2010, 01:02:32 pm » |
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Yep, that's funny. Either you go fanless or not, that's my opinion. If you have sth like Thermalright HR-02, than I don't see the need of using any fans unless some heavy processing is on all the time, but this is not the case in a dedicated music server.
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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2010, 01:32:11 pm » |
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I don't see that it is all that funny. Thermalright HR-02 is a good start but unless there is a decent air circulation, all the heat will just be trapped in
the case and a passive heatsink in a closed case is not going to cut it. All the review I see of HR-02 all uses cases with case fan to circulate air.
Then HR-02 gives pretty respectable performance but I did not see any review where it was used in a totally fanless system.
Unless you use open case or something like Zalman that has a mechanism to transfer
out the heat from the case, normal case is not going to survive, I think. May be a fan is a fan regardless, perhaps a fan attached to MOB which certainly will generate more vibration than a big slow flow fan case, who knows. Certainly I will have the option of disconnecting the case fan and observe the temperature.
I still think 1-2 fans are still better than 3-4-5 fans regardless.
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2010, 02:39:33 pm » |
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I was only kidding a bit of course. But to keep in mind : where I suggest that case fans are not needed, I *also* suggest to leave the case open.
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2010, 02:56:12 pm » |
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I was only kidding a bit of course. But to keep in mind : where I suggest that case fans are not needed, I *also* suggest to leave the case open.
A slightly more elegant solution than just leaving the case open: http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NzA0&lan=usI was tempted for a few minutes but am not daring enough. |
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2010, 03:02:07 pm » |
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I was only kidding a bit of course. But to keep in mind : where I suggest that case fans are not needed, I *also* suggest to leave the case open.
ah , well done Suteetat .. you just beat me to it .. haha http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_733&products_id=8096Russ |
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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2010, 03:10:54 pm » |
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So now that's official ? |
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2010, 03:21:28 pm » |
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For those worried about case fans noise, it is very easy to run them on 7V without resorting to a commercial speed controller. Simply use the red and yellow leads from the molex plug that typically powers them. The yellow is at 12V potential and the red is 5V, with the difference being 7V. To facilitate a neat setup, use a tool such as this ... http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=83_266&products_id=14870to re-arrange the leads on a Molex Y adapter ... http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_197&products_id=2679then hang your fans off that. Have been using this method for years and it works a treat |
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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 03:24:13 pm » |
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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2010, 03:57:44 pm » |
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Sweet !
Looks a little tidier than my typical test bench though .. haha
It looks like the sort of rig the guys at AnandTech would enjoy.
Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2010, 05:27:46 pm » |
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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2010, 11:50:53 pm » |
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If I can find fanless graphic card, this might make an interesting option as well.
Yes, there are plenty and dirt cheap such as the nvidia 8400, or some ati (too many names i dont remember) But you would use the pci-express slot. |
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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2010, 11:53:49 pm » |
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True and wrong Ramdisk can use memory above 4GB in 32bit OS, leaving all system memory for Windows. So, assuming you have 8GB of RAM installed, your OS utilise 4GB and 4GB goes to ramdisk. I'll check this myself tomorrow and let you know how it works. I suspect it could be even in terms of SQ, because ramdisk won't interfere with system memory. Only if the 32bit OS has PAE, which Vista hasnt, but 2003 server has. I think that in case of normal vista and the software ramdisks that we are using it wont work. Although I used 2003 server (which is basically vista kernel), I would not recommend it nowadays. It's too outdated and the drivers are a pita to find. |
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« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2010, 11:57:16 pm » |
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all my respect, but seriously are you DEАF? or are you really try to build HIGHEND player with Engine modes, SFS files, Buffers sizes, arc, invert and etc, etc and you really can't hear your power supplies fan? No, he has a huge room and the computer is not audible at 5m from where is the listening position. In my case I hear anything and I needed a fanless pc. |
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2010, 12:05:17 am » |
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For those suggesting bench-type cases, all depends where you keep the PC. The EMI And RFI generated by the pc are shielded by aluminium* and other metals. An open case has only one way where the radiations can go, while with a completely open one, they can go anywhere (*mu-metal is the best, aluminium is the de facto standard and other cheeper metals shield less but still shield!) |
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