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« Reply #105 on: October 05, 2010, 03:26:04 pm » |
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Copy to XX-drive is essential with RAMdisk, I think that's what the improvement is coming from. I have it set to 1300MB with 4GB RAM. Keep in mind that you won't be able to load many tracks...
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« Reply #106 on: October 05, 2010, 05:32:04 pm » |
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Roy hi, I'v had no luck rolling back the AHCI drivers, they are defiantly a problem, they will not let my disks spin down and there are small regular accesses all the time  I'v tried everything I can find including your link and spent good few hours making changes to registry settings but no luck. Im going to concentrate on the Vista rebuild now. As I re-discover config elements that may be helpful I'll post them. Nick. |
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w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #107 on: October 05, 2010, 11:55:11 pm » |
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Thanks guys. At this moment (some 10 hours of subsequent listening and trying back and forth) we are as far as that the RAMDisk with Vista brings the least "distortion". But call it aggresiveness which today is just another word for that. Tomorrow we will dive into the PCI latency, which in my case indeed is applicable.  Also, I know from movies (and "stuttering") how much this can influence. So I bet it will for audio just the same. More tomorrow, and I sure hope that at least for Vista it can be applied. Again, thanks, and the RAMdisk is really an eye opener. Don't ask me how it is ever possible, but it just matters (quite a lot in fact). Peter (Roy, Telstar) |
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W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2010, 12:15:37 am » |
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Yeah, a what about filesystem on ramdisk? :> And what if other 'ramdrive' application? Am I crazy yet?  BTW, my thin vista build is ready, I'm about to install it, but I need to create another partition on my SSD. I assume that noone tried to install second Vista on the same partition? That's quite risky, is it? (or perhaps impossible, haven't tried though...) |
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« Reply #109 on: October 06, 2010, 12:38:28 am » |
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Mani, did you try to install XXHE on a second partition, but on the same SSD? I think it's worth checking, if these improvements really come from better performance or is it related to logic only.
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« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2010, 08:09:43 am » |
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To anyone using ramdisk
Are you installing XXHiend on the ramdisk and copying the music to it, or are you just copying the music to the disk? I'm assuming the first, but since I can't find any mention of what exactly everyone is doing with the ramdisk I thought it might be useful if someone would clarify (as much as that is possible at this early point in "stage ramdisk."
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« Reply #111 on: October 06, 2010, 08:22:11 am » |
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XXHE + Copying to XX by standard ticked (it copies the tracksto ramdisk automatically)
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« Reply #112 on: October 06, 2010, 09:26:12 am » |
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I had a bit of a mammoth listening/testing session yesterday (but not quite 10 hours...) with a single aim in mind - to recreate perfectly the sound that I get from vinyl. (My vinyl is not perfect, but it has a 'sweetness' that is very hard to get right in digital.) I wanted to start with a clean sheet and question/test all of my current SW/HW settings. Everything was up for grabs. I think without a reference point towards which to aim, I would have gone mad!
I tried and tried, and although I could get close, it wasn't quite right. I just couldn't get the right 'colour' using XX. To my surprise, I could get the right colour using Foobar, but the resolution was very poor compared to XX. Close to midnight I was ready to give up. But I thought I'd try the RAMdisk (this was just before I saw Peter's last post).
Well what can I say? My experience was similar to all those who have already written about it. Superb clarity and yet beautifully smooth also. It was late at this point last night (actually early morning!), so I didn't get a chance to listen to much. I'd like to do some more listening today and very importantly for me, compare XX on RAMdisk to vinyl. But one thing is for sure - XX on RAMdisk is better than XX on a separate SSD. And the great thing is that the former is a cheaper (actually free!).
Let me add my thanks to Marcin for sharing his RAMdisk experience. Excellent!
Cheers,
Mani.
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« Reply #113 on: October 06, 2010, 11:09:42 am » |
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Just my experience from the best tweak done on my system... I have only 1 HD on a unfancy Dell vista laptop. I created the ramdisk and had XXHE on it. I did not even set "Copy to XXHE HD" option. After listening to Ramdisk I could immediately hear the difference in a sec (so clean & smooth) and then going back to the normal HD after listening just 1 track, the soundstage & imaging just collapsed significantly and sounded "muffled". No placebo her for sure - 100%. Perhaps, the simple system (cr*ppy HD) that I have showed the change very clearly... I can see how this clarity can seem "aggresive" for some but it is no problem for a warm system like mine... no fatigue It will be difiicult to go back to the XXHE on normal HD playing again. To everyone... it is free... so easy to install (mins)... so stop thinking so much and just try it! Perhaps it works for you...  Raj |
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« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2010, 11:19:27 am » |
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I did not even set "Copy to XXHE HD" option. Only when nothing has been converted, this setting does something. IOW, e.g. the result from a FLAC conversion will go to the "XX drive" always, but without conversion it will be copied to the XX drive with this parameter set to On. Peter |
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2010, 11:24:00 am » |
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Yep, that's right. I was not able to play flac files anymore. Error messages popped up...
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« Reply #116 on: October 06, 2010, 11:37:56 am » |
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I was not able to play flac files anymore. Error messages popped up...
Raj Raj, I've loaded RAMdisk onto the slow Atom-based music PC in my office and flacs play fine here. I suspect you're trying to load too many tracks at once. (I have the ramdisk set to 1GB.) Mani. |
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Phasure Mach III (Win 14393.0 on RAM-OS / controlled by RDC, / connected directly to music server / XXHighEnd 2.11 / Minimize OS / Engine#4 Adaptive / DB=4096 / Q1=10 / xQ1=15 / Q3,4,5=1 / SFS=4.00 / XTweaks = 34, 10, 0, 0, 0 / Straight Contiguous / Clock Resolution = 15ms / Scheme 3-5 (low/realtime) / 8x Arc Prediction / switch #5 'up/off' / Unattended) mobo USB3 port -> Lush^3 -> Phasure NOS1a B75 G3 -> 8m Blaxius^2 -> First Watt F5 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horn speakers
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Phasure Stealth II -> Lush^2 -> RME ADI-2 Pro FS R -> Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers
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« Reply #117 on: October 06, 2010, 11:44:31 am » |
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Even worse ... I did it with hi-res flac... ha ha!  Yes, there is surely a need for decent space in the ramdisk. Learn something new everyday.... Raj |
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« Reply #118 on: October 06, 2010, 11:47:01 am » |
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I'd like to do some more listening today and very importantly for me, compare XX on RAMdisk to vinyl. I'll be travelling for work later today, but I did get a chance to take a quick listen early this morning. What surprised me was that the SFS still makes a difference! But having optimised it (I needed to do this as I've switched from the RME AES-32 to the Weiss AFI1), I'm pretty certain that my digital and vinyl setups now sound very close. In any event, I'm sticking with W7 and RAMdisk for now... Mani. PS. Even my Atom-based work PC sounds great! |
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Phasure Mach III (Win 14393.0 on RAM-OS / controlled by RDC, / connected directly to music server / XXHighEnd 2.11 / Minimize OS / Engine#4 Adaptive / DB=4096 / Q1=10 / xQ1=15 / Q3,4,5=1 / SFS=4.00 / XTweaks = 34, 10, 0, 0, 0 / Straight Contiguous / Clock Resolution = 15ms / Scheme 3-5 (low/realtime) / 8x Arc Prediction / switch #5 'up/off' / Unattended) mobo USB3 port -> Lush^3 -> Phasure NOS1a B75 G3 -> 8m Blaxius^2 -> First Watt F5 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horn speakers
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Phasure Stealth II -> Lush^2 -> RME ADI-2 Pro FS R -> Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers
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« Reply #119 on: October 06, 2010, 12:22:25 pm » |
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Folks, I'm sure I have similar SQ gain to Mani here, but not with second SSD and puting XXHE on it, but using RAMdisk software instead - http://memory.dataram.com/products-and-services/software/ramdisk. (copy to xx drive by standard ticked). I don't know if it is a matter of different file system (I have my ramdisk formatted to FAT16), but I can't be wrong - sounds better for sure! Hey Marcin, Thanx for this!!! Sound is great!! I also nodiced that XX give's more errors or stops playing on the SSD/HDD. Until now on RAM i have not experienced a single one.  |
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16GB, *Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0* *from RAM*, music on music server / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *0.10* (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core *3-5* / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive *none* (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Not the best (OS from RAM issue) / Time Stability = Off (OS from RAM issue) / Custom Filter Mid 705600 / -> USB3 (Silverstone both sides isolated = Sw#3 of NOS1a = Up) -> *Clairixa USB 15cm* -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 0.70m -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink ->> Metrum Amps ->> Metrum Acoustics ESL Open Baffle.
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