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« on: October 12, 2007, 09:53:04 am » |
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Problem with ticks and noise with DDDAC and Q1 solved with this version. The sound is incredible clean and airy. I am now able to set the q1 to -3 and -4 without ticks and noise. With the older versions I had some problems with noise even at 20 on q1.
TorH
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Home build pc, Intel Dual core 4300 1.8 GHz , Vista Business, 2 GB RAM, one 500 GB harddisk, Q1 -3 with checked invert, appoint processor cores checked, Engine 3 checked, Double and upsamp NOT checked -> USB DDDAC -> TVC -> 300B -> Oris 200
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2007, 02:51:56 pm » |
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Interesting ...
I'd say the only reason can be CPU useage ... but then very specific. I would never had suggested that this could be a problem for Q1 values, although thechnically it would be true.
I assume you have normal (total !) cpu useage of, say, 3 % during playback, with 0% in the "XX Core" ?
Btw, I only now see that you are talking about 0.9m-1 and not about 0.9m ... is that correct, or do you actually mean 0.9m ?
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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SeVeReD
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 04:22:57 am » |
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Well for me 0.9m-1 is better than 0.9m. For the same albums I would hear "record sounding" pops & clicks when at Q1 -3 invert, I hear none now. Also, I always used to hear a glitch/tick/crackle when my laptop video display would turn on/off with 0.9m... (again only with Q1 -3 ... not at Q1 13; only two settings I've played with much) (my display turns off after 1 min of no use): With 0.9m-1 no glitch/tick/crackle when display goes on/off... none at all.
Going to venture back to Q1 -4 (where pops/ticks were even worse with 0.9m) and try that with 0.9m-1.
Dare I say without going back and forth that I think 0.9m-1 sounds better to me than even 0.9m on my setup....haven't had the time but my body tells me so... at least no pops/ticks.
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0.9z-8-3a WAV/CUE files on HDDs via MB FW400>; Win7 pro ttp://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021); [XXHighEnd player Qs 7, 0, 0, 0, 0; eng 4; adaptive; scheme#3; player priority low; thread priority realtime; clock res 5ms: SFS 420  dac is 24/192 w/32bits; Play Unattended; Stop Services ticked; Wallpaper & Show Back ticked - Mirror Image unticked; Start Engine unticked;garbage collect ticked; copy files to XX-drive; *quad arc prediction upsampling*: straight contiguous:>PCI FW800 card>Fireface 800 DAC [latency 2048 samples for 176.4]; usb/ethernet/mb audio shut off @ MB |
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2007, 06:28:35 am » |
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and yippi ki yea
Q1 -4 invert without a hitch... and sounds just a touch better, I think, than -3 (Beethoven piano sonatas & Uncle Earl bluegrass stuff) will listen closer later tonight, but things just keep getting better... is it possible
yeehaw
EDIT (hmm late at night listening)
hmm went back to -3 for some albums tonight... bass hitting harder/better at -3; dynamics a bit more natural, not exaggerated... probably all album dependent. went to -2 briefly, then back to -3.... over the long haul here I'll need to venture about the Q1 slider.
Edit: 10/14/07
I ran XXHE about 12 hours yesterday. Did some next/prev/seeker bar draging/changing Q1/invert&uninvert (heh, what's the correct term) and never ran into a glitch/stall/freeze... I don't click on things overly fast though.
Is there still talk of adding finer gradations to the 0 to -4 area? Something like this possible?---> Find an area you like (any area) then click on an option that lets you work in smaller gradations around that area. Example. Say you like area Q1 13... click/check mark while at 13 and that would then change things to allow you to move another slider up and down from say 12.0, 12.1, 12.2, .... 13.8, 13.9, 14.0 ?
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« Last Edit: October 14, 2007, 01:07:40 am by SeVeReD »
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0.9z-8-3a WAV/CUE files on HDDs via MB FW400>; Win7 pro ttp://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021); [XXHighEnd player Qs 7, 0, 0, 0, 0; eng 4; adaptive; scheme#3; player priority low; thread priority realtime; clock res 5ms: SFS 420 dac is 24/192 w/32bits; Play Unattended; Stop Services ticked; Wallpaper & Show Back ticked - Mirror Image unticked; Start Engine unticked;garbage collect ticked; copy files to XX-drive; *quad arc prediction upsampling*: straight contiguous:>PCI FW800 card>Fireface 800 DAC [latency 2048 samples for 176.4]; usb/ethernet/mb audio shut off @ MB |
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2007, 11:38:55 pm » |
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Hi TorH, Problem with ticks and noise with DDDAC and Q1 solved with this version. I am using the DDDAC1543 and for me the lowest Q1 = 20 in version 0.9m-1. Lower values give cracks in the sound! Do you use the MK2 version of the DDDAC1543? Regards, Johan |
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XXHE Ver: 209/MSI Z87M, i7 4770K Hyperthreading On (8 cores) @ 1,2 GHz, 32GB, Windows 10-14393.0 from RAM / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = *30*/-/1/1/1 Q1Factor = *40* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15 / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *20.19* (max 120) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = *Core3-5* / Not Switch Processors during Playback / UnAttended (Just Start) / All Services Off / WallPaper On/ No OSD / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : *Use Settings* - *43,1, 1, 1, 1* / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable/ Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 -> Clairixa-Itona-Clairixa ->24/768 PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 , Driver v1.0.4b (*16ms*) -> Blaxius BNC interconnects ->Audion Silver Knight 300B-> Speakers CornScala
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 07:02:04 am » |
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Hi Johan I am not familiar with your DAC neither I am a digital expert. However I remember that the XX first introduction of the Q1 being able to pass into the minus area had a lower -4, meaning the -4 we have today is equal to the older -2. The former Q1 set at -4 made my FireFace freak completely and closed Vista. Now I can't help thinking that you not being able to go lower than +20 could have something to do with your DACs internal USB to SPDIF conversion? Some eletronics does that job. And here might be something that prevents you to go lower? There are some people who choose this device to bypass their DACs internal simple electronic USB to SPDIF converters, but I have no experience if it's better. http://www.hagtech.com/hagusb.htmlGerner |
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Vista-Ultimate PC -> XX version very old -> USB -> CrazyT..soon NOS1
Troubleless playback.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 09:49:09 am » |
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Is there still talk of adding finer gradations to the 0 to -4 area? Something like this possible?---> Find an area you like (any area) then click on an option that lets you work in smaller gradations around that area. Example. Say you like area Q1 13... click/check mark while at 13 and that would then change things to allow you to move another slider up and down from say 12.0, 12.1, 12.2, .... 13.8, 13.9, 14.0 ?
Yep, still planned. Also about extending the slider to below -4. I've already been working on it, but technically it is not so easy because of running into (clock) stability issues. I think it can be done though, but it takes time to find the best way. Why do you need "twice as good" each and every week anyway ?  |
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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hal3101
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 04:46:03 pm » |
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Talking about the 0.9m-1 version. I have not tested the 0.9m version yet. Normal cpu usage. 5-6 % one one core and almost 0 on the other.
I am using mk2 version of the DDDAC1543.
I have not been able to trigger any cracks or clicks with this version yet at any settings on the Q1 slider.
TorH
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Home build pc, Intel Dual core 4300 1.8 GHz , Vista Business, 2 GB RAM, one 500 GB harddisk, Q1 -3 with checked invert, appoint processor cores checked, Engine 3 checked, Double and upsamp NOT checked -> USB DDDAC -> TVC -> 300B -> Oris 200
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2007, 05:52:19 pm » |
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Music on external hard drive with own power supply. Brains of the system is a Raspberry Pi running Moode Audio. The RPI has dedicated Longdog audio linear power supply.
Signal passes first to SW1X Signature USB to SPDIF converter
Then to SW1X Signature DAC
Then to Stevens and Billington TVC
Then to modified vintage triode amplifier
Then to open baffle speakers with vintage alnico drivers. Grundig tweeter, Saba Greencone midrange, Altec 416 VOTT base.
Everything is silver wired including mains and speaker cables
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2007, 06:12:04 pm » |
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Which buttons do you push to find the screen with CPU usage Select the buttons <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Del> Select option Taskmanagement, tab "Performance" I have a dutch version of Vista, so the translation could be not 100% ok Regards, Johan |
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XXHE Ver: 209/MSI Z87M, i7 4770K Hyperthreading On (8 cores) @ 1,2 GHz, 32GB, Windows 10-14393.0 from RAM / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = *30*/-/1/1/1 Q1Factor = *40* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15 / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *20.19* (max 120) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = *Core3-5* / Not Switch Processors during Playback / UnAttended (Just Start) / All Services Off / WallPaper On/ No OSD / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : *Use Settings* - *43,1, 1, 1, 1* / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable/ Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 -> Clairixa-Itona-Clairixa ->24/768 PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 , Driver v1.0.4b (*16ms*) -> Blaxius BNC interconnects ->Audion Silver Knight 300B-> Speakers CornScala
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