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TonyB
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« on: March 24, 2012, 07:44:04 pm »

I started to try XXHighEnd on my fanless Core 2 Duo PC. I had problems with two different SSDs: After a while blue screens started and then Windows 7 could not be repaired. I am coming to a conclusion that the 2008 BIOS cannot handle SSDs properly. I put in 1GB WD Caviar Black and after a new Win 7 install, there seem to be some problems. (These problems were not there on an identical installation on a SSD in the same PC).

That is why I may be looking at a new PC. I have read people's recommendations and have some specific questions:

1. Did anybody compare SSD with a rotating hard drive in the same PC and what were the differences in sound?

2. Did anybody compare 4 core vs. 6 core i7? Were there differences in sound?

3. There seems to be a recommendation for i7 without graphics processor. Did anybody compare i7 with graphics processor (e.g. i7 2600 LGA1155) vs. i7 without graphics processor (e.g. i7 980 LGA1366 or i7 3930K LGA2011)?

Thanks,

Tony
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 09:44:43 am »

Hi Tony,

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1. Did anybody compare SSD with a rotating hard drive in the same PC and what were the differences in sound?

I think at some stage, everybody in here did. Might you have found this : My SSD install ... this is NOT the representative of it all.

I can't find my post or topic where I very explicitly talked about the SSD being a wrong/filtering device, but around two years later than this referred to topic was born, I could refer to the very first post in there, where I actually decsribed the sound as wrong or "can't be". Anyway, if you'll receive answers to this question at all, it is almost to difficult to answer it to begin with. Here is an *example* of things which play a role : Re: 0.9z-4-0. So mind you, the SSD is mentioned in there, but it is not about it. It *is* about all the various variables playing a role to the sound though, and the SSD was right in the middle of that. Back then !
Also, SSDs were different back then, and this too matters.

As you can see in the last link, I tend to (and started to do that at some stage) see those kind of things as a filter. Same could be happening with USB3 right now (see alive topic elsewhere). So, filters may work out for the better, but don't attack the source of problems. Think inherent noise somewhere, which now is nicely smeared because of more high frequency noise. Something like that. Btw, how this gets into your DACs is another story and at leat I won't go into that one.

Lead by me, so to speak, many started to shovle out their SSDs. I am sure not everybody did, but the least what happened is that the subject died. Not in the remainder of the world, but here it did. The contrary, that remainder kept on talking about the SSD being better for SQ, which in here is very doubtful to say the least.
I think if you just search for SSD you will get everybody's sigs and in there it for sure will be mentioned if used. You can alsoo look for "spinning disk" (or "spinning disc") and you will find those just the same. And, you can bet that people denoting it like that do it explicitly (like in : better than SSD).
So now you can see it for yourself ...

Having the SSD on the OS (which is generally where XXHighEnd is installed as well) vs. having the Gallery data on an SSD which is in the PC somewhere, is another matter again. Personally I still have the SSD in, knowing that using it not for the OS is for the better (SQ), but I honestly never tried to remove it at all. Bad thing ? I don't want to know, because the speed with Galleries is too much preferrable in my case (having thousands and thousands of albums in there). It is really maybe 10 times faster on this subject.

One thing is 100% sure : I live so, so much more in ease with the OS being on a spinning disc. The data won't disappear at random times, it's never out of space, and it's just normal. The SSD never is. It's always tiptoeing, if not having problems like you talked about yourself.

Ok, I hope others will jump in; As I said, it hasn't been a subject for a very long time (1.5 - 2 years). But maybe people have opinions ...

Peter


PS: Might you not have gotten it from the first link I referred to, the SSD differs very much per OS (version). This, while afterwards was proven that this OS itself was wrong. So, the SSD solved things which were wrong in the first place. This is where W7 SP1 comes in, because that seems to be right (and for example W7 without SP1 is not at all). Think about this foremost ...


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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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