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« on: May 22, 2010, 11:53:54 pm » |
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Hi all, If there is anybody who is satisfied with running XX in QAP mode via KS on Atom CPU, please call in and share your setup details! I want to know how much the Atom gets utilized in this mode??? I would like really to have a proof that it is not possible to listen normally the music on such a hardware using XX.. Otherwise I am going to buy one.  Thanks, Ivo |
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Music on internal HDD in FLAC-->LatestXX in QAP + PeakExt Mode[KS,Adaptive,2048,Q1=14,xQ1=1,Sch3,Low,Realtime,15 ms, SFS 2-400, Straight, stop all, MinOS]-->Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64bit-->Intel i5 based laptop [8 GB RAM]-->JKDAC32(HiFace based USB-I2S-DAC)-->Denon PMA-1500AE-->JBL E90 3-way speakers
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 08:23:05 am » |
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Ivo, If you search the forum for Atom, I think you will find some topics, but maybe they are not useful. But take the experiences fom Ed Linssen as an example; I change something, and suddenly he has problems. Should be my fault (or W7's) but anyway things are far more critical. Or Mani, who as far as I am concerned tried one, bought a next, and now again bought another (a few weeks back). But why ? because he wants to squeeze out the best (lowest) latency. And this just doesn't happen with a processor which is not the best (because there are better). So you will *know* you will run into limits before others do. Maybe not today, then tomorrow. Tomorrow because of new developments, like Double Octo Arc Prediction (16 x) which is a fact for me today (but that depends on your DAC of course). There will be more. Mani might be the best to explain a bit.  Peter |
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13* (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).
For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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manisandher
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 10:27:03 am » |
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Yes, Peter is right, within the last 6 months my PC for XXHE has evolved as follows:
1. Sony laptop - I was happy for many years with this
2. Atom-based PC (following the design on computeraudiophile.com called C.A.P.S.)
3. E8600-based PC in Zalman totally silent (no moving parts) case with Gigabyte mobo, fast memory and one SSD
4. i7-based PC (hyperthreading off) in Zalman totally silent (no moving parts) case with Gigabyte mobo, ultra-fast memory and two SSDs
This evolution has been soley down to using QAP in KS Special/Adaptive mode. Only 3. and 4. can really cope well with this - especially if you have any hi-res FLAC files which take just ages to pre-process on slower machines.
BUT...
I still use the Atom-based PC in my office, where I use it mainly to listen to background music. It works perfectly well in KS Adaptive mode with NO upsampling. With the hiFace, I have the buffer set to 1024. One thing I really love about this machine is that I can leave it on all day knowing full well that its consuming next to no power and will remain totally cool - its incredibly efficient.
EVEN MORE IMPORTANT...
In my office, I use an old MF x24K DAC. Even though this DAC is 24/96 cable, I prefer NOT to use DAP with it, as it sounds 'muffled' compared to straight 16/44.1. (I am convinced this is down to its use of delta-sigma chips.) So, if you have a delta-sigma DAC, I think an Atom-based PC could work well... but just don't use DAP or QAP.
My one single caveat to all this is: if you are interested in buying the NOS1 DAC in the future (and I think anyone who wants absolutely the best SQ possible should be!) then DON'T go for an Atom - you won't be able to use Double-OAP!!!
Mani.
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Main System:
Phasure Mach III (Win 14393.0 on RAM-OS / controlled by RDC, / connected directly to music server / XXHighEnd 2.11 / Minimize OS / Engine#4 Adaptive / DB=4096 / Q1=10 / xQ1=15 / Q3,4,5=1 / SFS=4.00 / XTweaks = 34, 10, 0, 0, 0 / Straight Contiguous / Clock Resolution = 15ms / Scheme 3-5 (low/realtime) / 8x Arc Prediction / switch #5 'up/off' / Unattended) mobo USB3 port -> Lush^3 -> Phasure NOS1a B75 G3 -> 8m Blaxius^2 -> First Watt F5 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horn speakers
Office System:
Phasure Stealth II -> Lush^2 -> RME ADI-2 Pro FS R -> Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 08:22:20 pm » |
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3. E8600-based PC in Zalman totally silent (no moving parts) case with Gigabyte mobo, fast memory and one SSD
4. i7-based PC (hyperthreading off) in Zalman totally silent (no moving parts) case with Gigabyte mobo, ultra-fast memory and two SSDs Any difference in SQ between the two? Peter told me that there isnt much more resources involved in octal AP. And i hope so. |
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Software:
W10 14393 Pro x64 | XXHE 2.10 | MinOS | Q=14x1/0/0/0/0 | SFS 5,19 mixed contiguous | Nervous rate 1 | 4096k buffer |
Hardware:
OrigenAE H5 case | E5300 fanless | 8GB RAM | Winmate DC-DC fanless PSU | OS on SSD | Renesas USB3 pcie card | Belden highspeed usb cable | Audio-gd dac19 NOS with sigxer F1 | My_ref_FE mono amps | Albedo Apex speakers
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 08:45:34 pm » |
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BTW, I have tested my HiFace in QAP in KS mode on E6300 and it works well. I can go down till the lowest value of Dev buffer (32) and CPU is utilized for about 15%. The sound is really better if Dev buffer = 32 rather than 1024. Of course the latter does not utilize the CPU at all.
Based on the above, I am starting to move towards i3-530 CPU. Seems like it should be good enough to handle QAP in KS mode under windows 7 and hopefully any other xAP in the future.
Ivo
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Music on internal HDD in FLAC-->LatestXX in QAP + PeakExt Mode[KS,Adaptive,2048,Q1=14,xQ1=1,Sch3,Low,Realtime,15 ms, SFS 2-400, Straight, stop all, MinOS]-->Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64bit-->Intel i5 based laptop [8 GB RAM]-->JKDAC32(HiFace based USB-I2S-DAC)-->Denon PMA-1500AE-->JBL E90 3-way speakers
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manisandher
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 08:48:55 pm » |
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Not an obvious difference in SQ, but I haven't really AB'd them, as I don't have two identical soundcards. But when I get hold of the two NOS1 DACs , I will AB the two machines. However, the i7 machine achieves a lower Q1 in Special mode than the E8600 machine - ~90 vs. ~150 samples (IIRC). I'm not sure this is down to processor power though - I'm underclocking the i7 to keep within the 70W max. TDP specified for the Zalman TNN300 fanless case. Another big difference between the machines is the memory - one has G. Skill DDR3-2200 modules, the other G. Skill DDR2-800 modules. BTW, both machines run at around 40 degrees C and easily pass the Prime 95 test... Mani. |
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Main System:
Phasure Mach III (Win 14393.0 on RAM-OS / controlled by RDC, / connected directly to music server / XXHighEnd 2.11 / Minimize OS / Engine#4 Adaptive / DB=4096 / Q1=10 / xQ1=15 / Q3,4,5=1 / SFS=4.00 / XTweaks = 34, 10, 0, 0, 0 / Straight Contiguous / Clock Resolution = 15ms / Scheme 3-5 (low/realtime) / 8x Arc Prediction / switch #5 'up/off' / Unattended) mobo USB3 port -> Lush^3 -> Phasure NOS1a B75 G3 -> 8m Blaxius^2 -> First Watt F5 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horn speakers
Office System:
Phasure Stealth II -> Lush^2 -> RME ADI-2 Pro FS R -> Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers
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manisandher
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 11:15:58 pm » |
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If there is anybody who is satisfied with running XX in QAP mode via KS on Atom CPU, please call in and share your setup details! Ivo, With 0.9z, I'm getting good 'performance' from XX on my Atom PC with hiFace. With the buffer set to 256 (or higher), I can use the following settings: Special Mode - Q1=-1, (8 samples!) Adaptive Mode - Q1=1 But loading is still painfully slow... especially hirez FLAC files. As might be expected, graphics are also very slow. BUT... it works! Mani. |
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Main System:
Phasure Mach III (Win 14393.0 on RAM-OS / controlled by RDC, / connected directly to music server / XXHighEnd 2.11 / Minimize OS / Engine#4 Adaptive / DB=4096 / Q1=10 / xQ1=15 / Q3,4,5=1 / SFS=4.00 / XTweaks = 34, 10, 0, 0, 0 / Straight Contiguous / Clock Resolution = 15ms / Scheme 3-5 (low/realtime) / 8x Arc Prediction / switch #5 'up/off' / Unattended) mobo USB3 port -> Lush^3 -> Phasure NOS1a B75 G3 -> 8m Blaxius^2 -> First Watt F5 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horn speakers
Office System:
Phasure Stealth II -> Lush^2 -> RME ADI-2 Pro FS R -> Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers
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