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« Reply #105 on: March 03, 2015, 11:49:39 am »

I found an important advice from Peter on CA, where he wrote, that he  "depressurizes" his ears prior to serious listening. The "adjusted ear pressure" makes a big difference in the acoustic perception.

Yeah, you need to start doing such things when you get to Peter's age  prankster

Mani.

Hey Mani, Happy

this is physics. You are flying around the world the whole year and I'm  sure that you are facing ear anomalies during every descent.

I'm older than Peter and therefore I have to adjust my  "ear pressure" after every song. Bad luck for me.

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« Reply #106 on: March 03, 2015, 12:01:14 pm »


Here at least its not the lack of a pre amp or USB cable type(although I agree these will have an affect), or the quality of the ADC that the matering happened on. Its the PC that kills the sound. And I know where and how it does it  Happy Luckily I no longer feel the need for a new hobby or vinyl rig .... which is great Wink


Hi Peter,

reading Nick's comment I would say it's "highnoon" for such a PC modification (in cooperation with Nick?).

I will order such a modified PC straightaway.

Joachim


Edit: I just got the "gut feeling" that you and Nick are working on it already.
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« Reply #107 on: March 03, 2015, 12:54:01 pm »

I found an important advice from Peter on CA, where he wrote, that he  "depressurizes" his ears prior to serious listening. The "adjusted ear pressure" makes a big difference in the acoustic perception.

Yeah, you need to start doing such things when you get to Peter's age  prankster

Mani.

I am not near Peters age, but swimming messes with my ears quite a lot, and in a not dissimilar way to flying.  I need to leave a couple of days after a swim before I am right for serious listening.
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« Reply #108 on: March 03, 2015, 01:07:47 pm »

Edit: I just got the "gut feeling" that you and Nick are working on it already.

Mwah ... : http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3062.msg34050;topicseen#msg34050
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« Reply #109 on: March 03, 2015, 01:13:06 pm »

I am not near Peters age, but swimming messes with my ears quite a lot, and in a not dissimilar way to flying.  I need to leave a couple of days after a swim before I am right for serious listening.

Haha; I wanted to add earlier that this is actually not the same as flying. I mean, you will surely notice *that*. So that is two-folded : one, you will clearly be totally deaf after a nice dive and two, because of that you will try as hard as you can to get your ears back (blow nose and such).

Thus although the solution may be the same (blow nose) the lead-in is not at all. But I am fairly sure that many may benefit from just attempting to close the nose and have a firm blow until something pops and there's way more LF suddenly. You can always try ... (when the music is on or otherwise you won't even notice that it worked).

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« Reply #110 on: March 03, 2015, 01:18:42 pm »

I am not near Peters age, but swimming messes with my ears quite a lot, and in a not dissimilar way to flying.  I need to leave a couple of days after a swim before I am right for serious listening.

Haha; I wanted to add earlier that this is actually not the same as flying. I mean, you will surely notice *that*. So that is two-folded : one, you will clearly be totally deaf after a nice dive and two, because of that you will try as hard as you can to get your ears back (blow nose and such).

Thus although the solution may be the same (blow nose) the lead-in is not at all. But I am fairly sure that many may benefit from just attempting to close the nose and have a firm blow until something pops and there's way more LF suddenly. You can always try ... (when the music is on or otherwise you won't even notice that it worked).

Happy
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For me, it is more the water in the ears and how reluctant they can be to dry out. 
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« Reply #111 on: March 03, 2015, 01:47:26 pm »

I am not near Peters age, but swimming messes with my ears quite a lot, and in a not dissimilar way to flying.  I need to leave a couple of days after a swim before I am right for serious listening.

Haha; I wanted to add earlier that this is actually not the same as flying. I mean, you will surely notice *that*. So that is two-folded : one, you will clearly be totally deaf after a nice dive and two, because of that you will try as hard as you can to get your ears back (blow nose and such).

Thus although the solution may be the same (blow nose) the lead-in is not at all. But I am fairly sure that many may benefit from just attempting to close the nose and have a firm blow until something pops and there's way more LF suddenly. You can always try ... (when the music is on or otherwise you won't even notice that it worked).

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Not a "firm" blow, which can cause real damage.  Hold your nostrils closed and try to blow air out through your nose *gently* until you feel your ears clear.

This can be done on descent (plane or dive), not ascent.
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« Reply #112 on: March 03, 2015, 01:56:38 pm »

Edit: I just got the "gut feeling" that you and Nick are working on it already.

Mwah ... : http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3062.msg34050;topicseen#msg34050

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« Reply #113 on: March 03, 2015, 04:28:28 pm »

Edit: I just got the "gut feeling" that you and Nick are working on it already.

Mwah ... : http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3062.msg34050;topicseen#msg34050

Ok,

so we have to wait for the Clairixa.

At present, compared to my turntable, the SQ of the old "analog source CD's" is lagging behind with the $1 USB cable (not very far), and the main question is, what have they done during the mastering with the output signals of the analog master tapes.

Another sample: ”Rocky Racoon” on the ”Beatles White Album” was recorded with a lot of cymbals, hi hat and snare **at the end of the track**, which you do not hear on the CD in that vinyl quality (curtain damping effect).

The bass on “Fever” has more body and the voice more details on the vinyl (s-tones etc.), and the bass notes on both are not very deep.

By the way, the EMT 950 is an amazing machine. In 2010 I sold a big type EMT950 and thought the remaining TT will be good enough for the future, but within a week I had to buy another one (from Switzerland)

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« Reply #114 on: March 03, 2015, 07:09:28 pm »


But I am fairly sure that many may benefit from just attempting to close the nose and have a firm blow until something pops and there's way more LF suddenly. You can always try ... (when the music is on or otherwise you won't even notice that it worked).

Happy
Peter

Aaaha, Happy

LF's pops "down"  Happy, this is the reason for your bass fondness. Happy

It's the genes, in my case I hear amazing highs, no additional bass.

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« Reply #115 on: March 03, 2015, 07:25:21 pm »

But Joachim ... just for fun and because it is not really clear to me ... Does it help you ?

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« Reply #116 on: March 06, 2015, 10:14:50 am »


All I want to say is (and I say the same to Joachim or any of the further 98 votes coming up) : Don't try to mimic the souind of vinyl or take that as the reference, because it really is the wrong approach. It is technically worse and therefore should be worse sound wise.

That we might perceive it differently can spring from a 100 other reasons, but saying that digital is wrong while over here this is not so at all (and vinyl is plainly unlistenable though elsewhere) is too much of it.


Nothing is happening here, so we have to fill the gap!

Does digital sound better than analog?

The good article is here:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-versus-analog.htm

Edit: Found on Youtube

In a nutshell, CDs chop off all the audio content above 22 kHz, while LPs roll off smoothly up to 60 kHz and beyond. Considering that the upper limit of human hearing is commonly agreed to be only 20 kHz, it is up to you to decide how much of a difference this actually makes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eC6L3_k_48
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« Reply #117 on: March 06, 2015, 10:38:40 am »

Prrrrrrt

This alone :

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But if you're using a lossless digital format and a decent sound system, it's very difficult -- perhaps even impossible -- to tell the difference between analog and digital.

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« Reply #118 on: March 06, 2015, 02:57:27 pm »

FYI
Human hearing is is 20-20k, yes.
20k hearing is only for babies or newborns, that too at a very loud level.
Adults can't hear beyond 15K .... I suppose most listening champs tune out by 13-14K
Maybe you can feel the music Wink
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