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« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2013, 02:24:29 am »

Gee... I thought Peter looked like "Doc" in "Back to the Future"... Wink

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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2013, 03:21:56 am »

Well well its nice to put a name with a picture thanks.

I always feel sorry for people who do HiFi shows, its unforgiving hard work and long hours. Almost impossible to get a great sound but people are quick to report bad sounds which can have a negative effect.
But a necessary evil to get exposure for your product and in the long run it does work.   
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2013, 10:48:14 am »

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The utmost right gentleman in the middle picture is Peter
doing his prayer!

Yea, nice picture; At first I thought OMG what's the guy doing there ?! But I now see that apparently I was teaching and preaching there and it even was funny ?
Anyway, look closely; you can easily see that I make up *everything*.

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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2013, 11:21:34 am »

At entering the BD-XX room there was a big difference, phenomenal definition like comparing 4k with VGA. But after sitting down some strange phenomena got in the way. Like people moving close to the speakers, changed the soundstage abruptly. Mind they were not straight in between speaker and listener.
It comes to my mind like the horns are like a radar that makes it possible to see all the obstacles in the room.

Hi there Gerard,

Yea, well, I don't recall telling it to you, but this really isn't a horn property - I promise/guarantee you that. This was just this room (I think I told about it in this topic somewhere).
I think there will be a 6moons report about this Show and possibly they will tell about this phenomenon too. I mean, they noticed the exact same (without me telling it) and they use horns themselves (Avant Gardes).

Since I have set up all in my room again I really should listen to Van Morrison and see how it works out there. That most sibilant voice really came to me as that strange high frequency reverberation in the room. But I will tell you how it works out here.

One other thing :
You are explicitly invited to our house just for fun. BUT you'd have to bring your wife and kids (please). The special reason (seen through my heart and eyes) : your wife and kids.
The remark has already been made by someone else, but that someone else did not know it was your wife examining the (non existent) cables. I don't know exactly why, but I saw this as the most special and I'd like to go as far that your wife thinks it is time for you for something new finally.
Yep, I am strange.
Your kids no different. *That* particular part went as far as Ciska asking me to put up some Disney or the like (no, K3 was not available anyway), but I could not find it (but had it somewhere - we were sure).

So see ? That is why the whole family is invited.

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« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2013, 09:48:34 pm »

Hi Peter,

That's a very nice invitation!
My wife enjoyed talking to you and Ciska and the children were having fun too. So we're happy to visit.

I hope you like K3 or something from the top40 or how they call that these days, because the children can get bored by the old peoples music!
There is some hope for us because Gwen just started pianolessons.....
I'll be having very high expectations since if the not so good sounds can be fixed to the same level as the good sounding parts it must be the best sounding system in the world!
My wife would be happy to buy the Orelino's, they look gorgeous and no speaker cable! I'll have to find a reason why we shouldn't since my boss did not raise my salary at all unhappy and I only won 50 euro in the lottery last week.
So we'll have to pick a date soon.

Give our kind regards to your family!
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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2013, 11:14:40 am »

My wife would be happy to buy the Orelino's, they look gorgeous and no speaker cable!

Huh?

So, are both the LF and MF/HF amps built into the Orelinos? Hell, why not go the whole hog and build one channel of the NOS1 into each Orelino and connect via dual AES or something?

Really looking forward to hearing the Orelinos myself... and maybe placing an order thereafter.

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« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2013, 01:40:33 pm »

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Hell, why not go the whole hog and build one channel of the NOS1 into each Orelino and connect via dual AES or something?

Haha, that upgrade is planned for later. But here and again (like my hint to similar the other day) : (still Wink) a bit different from what you expect.

But otherwise, yes, all the electronics are built into the phase plug (the vertical bar in the middle of the speaker). Only one interlink (yours) comes out of it (towards the DAC). And a power cord of course.

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and maybe placing an order thereafter

There has always a lot of betting going on with the UK boys. I don't recall one with you though ?
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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2013, 09:08:05 pm »

There has always a lot of betting going on with the UK boys. I don't recall one with you though ?

I'm not really the gambling sort. But I have to say that since yesterday evening, I'm more inclined towards a pair of Orelinos than I ever have been and I think it's a pretty fair chance that I'll go ahead and order a pair after listening to them. What makes me say this? Well, yesterday I tweaked around a bit with the BD amps in place and I have to say that I was getting a seriously nice sound out of the Swings. I mean, seriously nice. Satty and I sat through the whole of Beethoven's 7th after the kids had gone to sleep. Never happened before - not the whole symphony. And as fate would have it, just when I get a really nice sound, I'm off travelling for work unhappy

My feeling now is that if the Swings sound this good, how bloody good do the Orelinos sound? I've decided that I'm not going to jump ahead of myself and will let you and Bert develop the 'complete Orelino' concept a bit further. Meanwhile, I'm going to try to stay away from tweaking for a while and just enjoy what I've got. Gonna try at least.

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« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2013, 09:40:57 pm »

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Satty and I sat through the whole of Beethoven's 7th after the kids had gone to sleep. Never happened before - not the whole symphony.

Ok, seems a bit like chit-chat, but you know what I said within something like 10 seconds when I heard the Orelino's at Bert's place ?

That this speaker makes you feel in love with classical which you always avoided.
Bert can confirm this very statement.
And yesterday I heard it again. But now at my place (hey, they are back again, unplanned).

And then to think that my father was that ever tweaking guy himself (say back in the 70's) of what I recall - that I loved his sound already back at the time with Leak (tube) amp and Leak speakers, and that the ONLY thing which resembles that is what is playing right now over here (at this time Duke Ellington in Big Band fashion).

Strange addition maybe : I have this amp and speakers here, but it doesn't cut it (all right, not from over 10 years back). Still I promised myself to not listen to classical really, until I could reach that type of sound.
Of course, back at the time all was played through a Thorens TD124 and my dad's self designed built further tube equipment (I have that all laying around here) and somehow now this is equalized (for me) through digital. Btw, my father hated CD ... (but also used that 14bit true PCM ADC "video" stuff later).

Ok, maybe I get emotional, but what to say ...
Yes, that my second remark to Bert was that this horn speaker truly sounds like a transmission line.

And what I proposed today to Bert (after thinking about it yesterday) is that Bert (or we together) redefined how digital must sound.
Maybe.

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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2013, 10:51:36 pm »

I have to say that I am sometimes surprised by the weight of your statements Peter... But the worst is that I believe you...

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« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2013, 01:45:33 am »

Meanwhile, I'm going to try to stay away from tweaking for a while and just enjoy what I've got.

Mani.

Ah, there you go.  Cheers on your enjoyment, and may you head on back after not too terribly long a time away.
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« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2013, 09:10:32 am »

Hey Peter,

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Yes, that my second remark to Bert was that this horn speaker truly sounds like a transmission line.

When I read the above I could not help but remember my impression after first listening to these transmission lines.

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What other speakers do that without the real life open panel problems? I can only think of these [transmission lines] and possibly Bert's [Orelino's] (but unfortunately I have never heard them).

So now I am even more enthusiastic to hear the Orelino's. Transmission line bass quality but with much sensitivity and dynamics a very mouthwatering prospect.

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« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2013, 09:30:05 am »

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after first listening to these transmission lines.

Which do you refer to ?
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« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2013, 11:58:26 am »

The ones I just made !!!! the IPL S5's which are by a big margin the best transmission lines I have heard.

http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2678.msg27663#msg27663
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