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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2013, 02:19:36 pm » |
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I remember when I listened to W8 the first times. The sound was "sharp" and strangely I could hear the sound coming more from the speakers.
Then with time I discovered that certain songs seemed odd at certain passages. I can't put my finger on it, but sometimes percussions do not sound so natural. This is not consistent though. "inconsistency" is the word that comes to my mind.
When I come back to W7, it requires on my part a certain amount of time because I feel there is something a little more blurred, but there is also an harmony and a sense of "all playing together" that I don't feel is as present in W8. After a while, I don't hear that blurr and in fact I wonder if I am not confusing this with another effect that I can't describe. But since I can hear more details, my guess is that "blurr" is not what I should entitle to express this difference between the 2 OSes...
But there is definitely a difference between these 2 and to try to "merge" them seems (actually) to confuse more than to confirm something ?
Alain
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Scroobius
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2013, 02:39:33 pm » |
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Peter - when I updated W7 from vanilla it included SP1.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2013, 04:37:13 pm » |
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Either I will not be touching any OS settings in future or might the OS sound worse as files etc are moved around the disk ??
Has anyone else come across this ?
Regards,
Nick.
Hey Nick, I have experienced times where SQ significantly improved after defragging. So I have always assumed that files being moved around on the disk do make a difference. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2013, 02:19:04 pm » |
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I've just installed 0.9z-8-2 on my W7 HDD... and absolutely love the sound. I mean, there is no way anyone would think this is digital. No way. Totally smooth, and yet with all the inner detail you could want. No edge whatsoever. But I'm right down at SFS=1. Higher SFSs smooth the sound off a little too much.
I need to reinstall W8 on my other HDD to make a comparison. But quite frankly, I'm not in much of a hurry to try this.
Whatever you did Peter, it works for me 100%. Thanks so much.
Mani.
Edit: Just another point. I'm pretty sure my room is being energized in a totally different way now. There don't seem to be any standing waves and yet I'm getting a lot more vibrations coming up through my seat than I normally have. I think this actually adds to the enjoyment.
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Phasure Stealth II -> Lush^2 -> RME ADI-2 Pro FS R -> Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Marvel horn speakers
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Jud
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2013, 04:16:03 pm » |
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Vibrations through the seat always add to the enjoyment, I find.  |
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2013, 06:48:39 pm » |
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Interesting that Peter(?), Mani, etc., are liking Q1=7, Q1 factor, SFS = 1, with a device buffer of 4096, while I find a sweet spot at Q1=14, Q1 factor and SFS = 2, with a device buffer of 512. In both cases the product is 28672.
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Win 7 64-bit; i7-950@3.07GHz; 16GB RAM; OS on SATA 6GB/s SSD; AIFF files on external FW HDD; XXHE and Playback Drive on separate RAMdisks; no page file; Audioquest Dragonfly DAC/preamp; PSE Studio IV amp; Pioneer SP-BS22-LR bookshelf speakers or Etymotic Research ER-4P in-ear monitors. XXHE 0.9z-8-3a settings for the moment: Peak Extend; Arc Prediction; Redbook files upsampled 2x; KS Adaptive Mode; Phase Alignment off; buffer=512; Straight Contiguous; Playerprio=Low; ThreadPrio=RealTime; Unattended; OS minimized; all services off; Q1=17, factor=2; SFS=2.1; XXTweaks=Ultimate; Time Performance Index=Not the best.
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2013, 08:30:30 pm » |
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Either I will not be touching any OS settings in future or might the OS sound worse as files etc are moved around the disk ??
Has anyone else come across this ?
Regards,
Nick.
Hey Nick, I have experienced times where SQ significantly improved after defragging. So I have always assumed that files being moved around on the disk do make a difference. Brian hi, Interesting about the defrags. I can see me doing regular rebuilds from now on. Cheers, Nick. |
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w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
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Scroobius
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2013, 10:52:44 pm » |
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OK I give in - there is clearly something wrong with W8. I was seduced (I think) by false dynamics (caused by noise or some peculiar distortion) I really don't know but or sure W8 has a hard edge that I cannot live with.
But I have to say some music in W8 sounds stunning. Hey ho W7 it is (for now).
So Peter do you have any hunch as to what the problem with W8 is?
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phantomax
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2013, 10:12:30 am » |
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When I read this a few days back, I recognized I had been in total extasy which sort of resembles Carsten's expression here. This is not only because I like the sound so much from W7 and 0.9z-8-2, this is not only because I now hear so much more from W7 compared to before, but it merely is because I can play and play and play and totally NOTHING is wrong anywhere. Nowhere.
Peter
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