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BrianG
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« on: April 04, 2010, 11:49:21 am »

Hi All,

I have a dilemma, I'm building a new music PC which doesn't have an SPDIF-out on the mother board.  I have two DACs that need SPDIF but I also have two that will drive from USB.  The reason for SPDIF then is to get to 18 bits and hear some of the differences in XX options.  The question is how to get the SPDIF, through a sound card or USB adaptor?  Having read the threads on each there isn't a definitive answer for either but the Juli@ and Hi-Face would be contenders.

This of course is just until Peter releases his own solution   Nice 

So maybe I'm better saving the money and staying with USB until that (distant  Wink ) day?

What do you think?

Thanks,
Brian 
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 01:00:31 pm »

Well, internal souncards have always better latency, so i would go with one of those. Consider wordclock input if your dac has.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 01:34:09 pm »

he Brian,

If you want to use Coaxial SPdif you have to mod the juli@,
The Hiface is standard coaxial, with either RCA or BNC
These cards are indeed the best cards in that price range, for you a not so expensive solution, untill NOS1 arrives.
As you know for NOS1, its finished when its finished !? Wink

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 05:14:08 pm »

Thanks Chaps,

I think the sound card is the way to go in the mean time so that I can play with the XX options and the card mod possibilities.   Happy

The only DAC I have with wordclock is DEQ2496, so perhaps I should mod the analogue out of this first as it has a optical S/PDIF input which my pc motherboard already has ... decisions, decisions.... scratching
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 11:01:07 pm »

he Brian,

If you want to use Coaxial SPdif you have to mod the juli@,
The Hiface is standard coaxial, with either RCA or BNC
These cards are indeed the best cards in that price range, for you a not so expensive solution, untill NOS1 arrives.
As you know for NOS1, its finished when its finished !? Wink

Roy


Did you follow a walkthrough to do that or just figure it out yourself?

I have a juli@ and need to use the digital out, however I do not like the looks of the digital coax out on the breakaway cable, really seems like it could be a concern in terms of quality.  I have heard that lots of people modify their juli@ with a direct BNC out or digital coax out, but cannot find any info on it.  The picture you posted is the first I have seen.
Can you post a link to where you got the info to do that, or if anyone else knows where to find info to mod a juli@ with a bnc or better digital coax than that supplied on the breakout cable, it would be much appreciated.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 09:30:44 am »

Maybe Roy forgot to mention the link to his (new) topic about this. Here it is : Juli@ Modifications.
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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