XXHighEnd

Hi Peter,

so far so good with 0.9y-2 with no major issues noted so far  :thankyou:, although I haven't spent a heap of time with it yet.

I have a question regarding the 'processing' of the entries in the right hand panel though. In previous versions ( up to 0.9y-1d ), if I double clicked on an entry, for example 'folder.jpg', the application with which that is associated, in this case Windows Photo Gallery, would open up and display it. Similarly, double clicking on any text files listed would bring them up in notepad.

With 0.9y-2 this has changed. Double clicking now results in a duplicate of the entry and has '-1' appended to the file name. If done a second time, then a '-2' copy of the original is created and so on.

If, however, I right click on an entry to bring up the context menu, and then chose the 'open' command,  things behave as in previous versions.

Just wondering if this change was intentional, as it is far easier to simply double click to open something rather than go via the context menu.

The sound is still amazing in these 'y' versions ! :soundsgood:

Cheers,

Russ

:blob8: No ... that double click thing sure is not intentional ...
I actually wonder what stupidity this is, because I sure didn't program it. So it must be some effect of a drag to-from XXHE captured, which overrules the double click.

I will look into it !
Thanks Russ,
Peter

Peter,
while I was loading galleries from the library area, the following error popped up. In the special case when an album contains more than 1 CD, AND no artwork is present in the album OR ANY of the underlying CD's: an out-of-memory message appears and XXHE gets stuck.
I work around it by manually stopping XXHE (ctrl-alt-del) and putting some artwork in the album or any of the underlying CD's.
Cheers, Eric.   

yep, same error here.

Solved my problem with opening certain folders.

But there can not be a dot (.) in album names like I said before with B.B.E and B.B. King.
But also "vol.1" in foldername and for eg. ''Vangelis - Albedo 0.39"

Maybe this was always the case!

Eric, bgt, thanks. But this is not my experience here.

Can you please provide your exact structure and contents ? (just start where you think the album starts, so everything above that is not necessary). I would be good if you can show the hidden files as well; I expect that something is in there (may be hidden) which I don't deal withg properly.

Thank you both,
Peter

Edit : This can be as simple as dicovering a (hidden) thumbs.db of which I know it causes the out of memory error. I arranged for that, but merely in theory than explicitly testing every situation on this ...

Roy, I didn't sort that out explicitly (referring to your earlier mentioning of this), but made some provisions already to solve that. This will be about a too strict approach from my side that dots denote files (there's more to it, but this is the base of me doing things wrong here).
I will dive into this now. Thanks !

Peter

Peter,
the following simple test creates the problem (at least here).

1.Create a folder called MUSIC on you desktop.
2.In that folder, create a folder called ALBUM.
3.In the folder ALBUM, create 2 folders called CD1 and CD2.
4.Copy (at least) 1 track in the folder CD1. Any track will do, WAV or MP3. No other (hidden) files, just 1 track of music.
5.Start XXHE. Go to Library tab and use Search A on the path up to and including MUSIC.

Now the message Insufficient Memory shows up and XXHE gets stucked.
I am curious if the same happens in your environment. 
Cheers, Eric.

Double clicking an image in xx, creates a copy of that image in the same folder !?!?
 :)

I'm also experiencing problems with the gallery display functions with 0.9y-2. It appears OK in 0.9y-1d, so whetever changes were implemented between those versions appears to have broken something.

XXHE appears to be getting tripped up if two or more discrete CD's are listed under a Album Name, and I suspect some other sceanarios are at play , including the inability to display contents under certain artist names. "B.B. King" is one that I have noticed won't display anything, yet "B.B. KIng & Diane Schuur" works OK.

I have attached a series of screen caps below to try and show what is happening here. When I click on Tangerine Dream in the left column, the folder art panel in the middle starts to reveal the albums within that folder, but quickly brings up the error message that a few have already noted. Clicking OK on the message may, or may not, reveal a few more of the albums. Eventually, by clicking on the OK button multiple times as it occurs, a page full of folder art appears. I also discovered that these error messages may be 'hiding' behind the GUI, and that pressing the ALT key brings them to the front. If you attempt scroll the centre panel, this refresh attempt triggers another round of error messages until a whole panel is filled out once more.

The memory usage of XXHE also climbs steadily during all of this .. see the Task Manager snapshot.

I have also attached the LibraryData.txt file which is active at the time.

If you need more info or folder structure layout just holla.

Might have to go back to 0.9y-1d until this bug is fixed, or try and limit my listening to artists that don't have multidisc sets.

Cheers,

Russ ( still relishing the SQ of these 'y' versions ! )

Some further tinkering reveals that it may not be a simple case of multidisc albums tripping thing up. Under my Alan Parsons Project folder I have a 2 CD set of "Tales of Mystery and Imagination"  and that displayed OK. Note however that I have folder.jpg entries for that album, so that clue may be tied into Eric's observation that the lack of folder art is having an effect.

I have attached another instance where the cover art is failing. That "Boned!" album under The 12th Man is a 2 CD set, and there is no cover art present.

Russ

One more example to assist is tracking down this bug.

The error messages discussed previously occured while displaying the contents of the Segovia folder.

The "Dedication" and "The Spanish Guitar Magic of Segovia" albums DO NOT have folder art present in their folders currently, but instead 'found' their  artwork from the first album ( A Centenary Celebration ).

Hopefully these examples are enough for you to figure it out Peter.

If you need more I will provide, but I'll stop filling up your server with screen grabs for the moment !

Cheers,

Russ

 

Yes, I could copy that, and it is solved. I will put up a 0.9y-2a version in the 0.9y-2 download soon. First want to solve that double click bug (not easy).


Russ, your examples actually showed what was going on, with no clue really why this doesn't bug me. My structure must be different somehow, and I guess more deep (??). This matters. Anyway, it is this what I solved, which solved Eric's problem just the same. So indeed there was something like "if no coverart then ... a wrong file" haha.

It *may* be so that your Segovia problem (takes the Coverart from another album) is solved with this too, but I have my doubts. All is releated to something like "keep on searching until you found something", but that shouldn't end up in a wrong folder. And oh, let me praise you for this most clear outlay including the structure at the left. On that one, the only thing I can think of (apart from a bug on my side) is that "The Spanish Guitar Magic of Segovia" contains a music file itself ? Then something like this will happen.
But let's wait for that upgrade first.

Thank you guys !
Peter

Peter, using 9y-2 still no luck here switching between 16/44 and 24/96 files in the same playlist.   

Grrr ... I don't get it.

Allright, below is a version of XXEngine3.exe (paste over your current XX folder, but keep the old one !) which pops up a message at switching (and at Stop Playback). Now I need to know what the message says at switching. It's just a few numbers you may want to type over, or otherwise a screencopy is allright.

I start to be afraid it looks very normal, after which I need to know everything about your soundcard, or DAC when it's USB connected. So please prepare finding a manual for me ...

Edit : Also, for both files, click Stop during playback (can just be Attended if you want), and from both occasions also please tell me the message. Lastly, please tell which file format (according to your own judgement) goes along with what message.

For the Coverart Out of Memory Issue : Please try below XXHighend.exe. Paste it over your current XX folder and let me know when it helps (it should :)).

Edit : Forgot, this solves the doubleclick issue on the Coverart as well.

Am off to work. Will run the tests you requested either tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks!

boleary, thank you very much. And I am very sorry it goes like this. If I only had it myself ...

To be ahead of things, please also let me know the length (in time) of both files in question, so I can try to copy that too. It might be related and it may be a more normal bug on my side.

Have a nice day of work, and save a few. :) :)

Hey Peter,

thanks for the quick fix.

The out of memory issues and double click issue appear to be resolved now, however I am still having difficulties with the 'B. B. King' folder not showing folder art as I outlined above. Will continue tinkering to see if I can see what is common amongst any more ( if they are evident ) that don't show up.

Cheers,

Russ

Here's another bug for you to look into.

When attempting to play, in UN attended,  "Cannonball Adderley - Something Else" encoded in 24_96 flac, after the flac's had gone through their initial conversion process and the GUI dropped out of sight, I was presented with a blank screen ( was expecting the cover art next ) and about 5 seconds afterwards an Out Of Memory error box appeared. I clicked OK and nothing further happened. Alt-X to get back to GUI was the action.

Initially I had the split file size setting at 100MB then bumped it up to 128MB but it made no difference.

Tried it a couple of times with same result, so turned logging on for last attempt.

Tried again in ATTENDED mode and same results.

Logs attached ( hopefully in chronological order )

 :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: soon for me.

Russ

Peter,
this version 2a solves my Out Of Memory problem.
Thanks, Eric.

G'day Russ,

Well, I forgot about the B.B. King issue. Must be fairly easy to mimic - and solve I guess. Sorry I forgot.

Something Else ... :) I have that too (a most good recording for 1958 !), although in WAV, but the exact same thing happens.
Btw, to solve such a thing DEcrease the file parts, so they will be using less memory.

But now I have something ...

To me it looks like this happens more often (out of memory by normal means - not bugs like the Coverart thing) than before. Now, this is a nasty one, because of some parts running in a special area of code, that code indeed using less memory because it wasn't preprocessed (same like ticking the Mem checkbox from before). Now, since I don't recall that anything changed on the memory management (which is rough by itself because of the long period it took for 0.9y to emerge), I blame it to everything being preprocessed now, and nothing processed in real time. So, I have sure run this album before a couple of times, and indeed now it doesn't work anymore.
Must investigate this further.

Btw, if you DEcrease the file parts it will go eventually.

... Now I think of it, native 24/96 files indeed ran in that piece of code that processed in real time (only padding was needed). So, not anymore now, which immediately creates a problem for larger files like the first track here which is 370MB, will expand to 500MB because padding to 32 bits (in your and my case) and which is needed a couple of times in memory. Cutting that to 100MB still gives a net size (per instance) of 160MB (I just looked), which makes me think I don't get it.

.. hmm ... I just realized that I initialized an array larger than what is initially (!) needed when Split is set at 100MB (and where the Splitting came later (for development) than this initializing of arrays). So I lowered this (but it gets expanded as before) and now I use 1.2GB instead of 1.5GB earlier ?
The mysteries of Windows ...

I will see if anomalies come from this, and if not I'll share it with you (all).
As usual, Thanks !
Peter

hey Peter ..

got the album to work in ATTENDED mode using a split size of 90MB, but when I attenpted to play UNattended it didnt work, so dropped the split size incrementally to 80 before it played. Thing is though, it wasnt consistent. Sometimes it would play UNattened at 80MB settings and other times it wouldnt. This was even after a clean restart of XXHE each time using the same setting.

I shall await your magic :)

Cheers,

Russ

A followup to the above:

Playing in unattended, it brought up the outofmemory exception message at the conclusion of the 2nd track.

Think I'll stick to standard 16/44.1 tracks for the time being  :scratching:

Ta,

Russ

Hi Russ,

Was this perhaps still ok at the first 0.9y version(s) ?

(don't need to test if you don't know right now)

Peter

Just plonked 0.9y-1 back onto the HTPC for testing.

It is a lot more consistent in playing the Cannonball Adderley album. It started OK in UNattended at a 100MB split setting, so I gradually increased the setting by 1 MB each time, clearing the playlist and shutting down XXHE in between each test so it would have to rebuild the wav's each time.

At around the 125MB setting I started to see inconsistencies in actual sound startup. Sometime the coverart would appear but no sound happened, or sometimes it would start playing the first track fine. This inconsistent start is likely another glitch inherent in that early 'y' version, but at least I'm not seeing the OutOfMemory condition with that early version.

Haven't had a chance to play the album all the way through yet. I know the opening bars of track one off by heart now though .. haha

Hope that helps a little :)

Cheers,

Russ

Hi Peter, here are the numbers you requested when switching between 16/44 and 24/96 files, and vice versa. I don't think the DAC has anything to do with this issue because I ran the test once using the DAC and once just using the internal sound card in my laptop and got the exact same results. Here are the numbers:

Song 1, 16/44, length 3:26.42 to Song 2, 24/96, length 4:29.63 generates:
2/32/44100/352800/8 and 2/24/96000/576000/6

Song 2, 24/96, length 4:29.63 to Song 3, 16/44, length 5:45.04 generates:
2/32/9600/768000/8 and 2/24/44100/264600/6

Playing and stopping each song respectively generates:
Song 1: 2/32/44100/352800
Song 2: 2/32/96000/768000
Song 3: 2/32/44100/352800

Hope this helps.

First of all, thank you both for your efforts.

But oh dear, I start to be afraid that both issues are related, and my initial solutions for the "new memory management" as per 09w-5 from Dec. 18 2008 - which tweaks the untweakable dot-net memory management - are not working, or are not working anymore because of "something" that intervenes now. The memory-corrupting normal MS routine is a first proof of it (I think), the inconsistent behaviour is another and something working here but not at yours (boleary) is a next. And the worst is, while the corruption seems to be solved, other things are out of order now.

FYI, you can already see that my "tweaks" don't work anymore, because the memory can shrink again. This wasn't before, and it only could grow. The fact that it shrinks though, is an activity of the OS, which just needs it. But it can't need it, because there is sufficient in the first place.
This is back to before Dec. 2008, when this was the same. Or, back to the first 0.9y when things looked okay, but clearly were wrong. This (wrong) situation, however, may have cleared the unused memory by accident and could have been in there since always.

What can you do with this ? nothing. Nothing except this is not going to be easy to find/solve.
Btw Russ, I could run that track in 978MB (split at 110MB) which is just physical reality. Anything more is eaten by the OS, only freed when it reached the seeling (which it will eventually, ad how it was before Dec. 2008).

Russ, if I may ask, can you switch formats ? Thus, tick Allow Format Change, and let a 44.1 run into e.g. a 96 and back. Attended or Unattended doesn't matter much. Just the latest version (0.9y-2a). Maybe from this some equivalence or common denominator with either me or boleary emerges.

Thank you guys,
Peter

Sometimes at the start of first track (in unattended mode) the OSD Text is not shown. At the start of the second track the text is shown normally till the end of the playlist.

As requested ... using 0.9y-2a

In UNattended mode I queued up the first track of Cannonball Adderley, followed by the first track of an Acoustic Alchemy album (16/44.1), followed by the second track of the Adderley album , and finally the second track of the Alchemy album.

Without ticking the 'allow format change' button ( I wanted to see what would happen in that situation after the first track completed ), I pressed PLAY and it started up fine. I was called away to a phone call shortly afterwards and the screen saver kicked in. At the completion of the first track I was greeted by silence and when I moved the mouse to see what happened the GUI had popped back up and the second playlist entry was highlighted. If an error message 'had' popped up I didn't notice because I was away from the PC.

I then ticked the 'allow format change' box and pressed PLAY while the second track was highlighted. ( I don't think I shut XXHE down in between these sequences but the logs will show whether I did or not ). As hoped, the first of the Acoustic Alchemy tracks played till the end then the second of the Adderly tracks, followed by the second of the Alchemy tracks. So in this sutuation, ticking the 'allow format change' box seemed to work.

Ever curious to see what would happen if I started with the 24_96 track first, I then shut XXHE down, without clearing the play list, and fired it up again. The 4 entries were still in the playlist as expected and I pressed PLAY. Shortly after the GUI disappeared, and just as I was expecting to see the coverart appear, up pops a OutOfMemory Exception .... hmmmmm. Probably didn't like that 10 minute long 24/96 track.

Moved the logs for this test into a separate folder.

I also noted that yesterdays testing also had the logging turned on, so I've zipped all of those up also for you to look through in case anything is apparent, although I haven't got any running commentary as to what I was doing for those.

It sure has been an interesting way to spend one's birthday ... bug huntin' .. LOL

As always, happy to help.

Off to  :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: for me soon.

Cheers,

Russ
 

Well Russ, good morning then. I sure didn't want to spoil anyone's birthday, not even yours !

But this is mean ... I am looking on a certain site for a year because I know you will (no, might) popup there as having your birth day, was prepared for all that time to congratulate you with that, and now I missed it because I forgot your nick is different there.
No, I haven't been doing this for everybody, only for Russ. Hahaha.

Allright, so somehow boleary must have something different there than at least Russ and me. Must think ...

Once again thanks, and might you still be awake, have one on me.
Peter

thanks for the thought Peter ... and thanks for the bourbon  :drinks:

If you were referring to the TT site, I rarely visit there these days. The program has been stagnant for almost 2 years or so and I've moved on to the BD discs. I have a bit of a lookin on AVS now and then in the CRT forum, but unless I want to post I usually jump in as a guest, much the same as I do on any forum I am a member of actually, including here.

Make a note for next year .. haha

Cheers,

Russ

Such a pitty ... (TT)

But I don't think I will forget, because this is the day (August 27 here)  I got the Firewire running in the mode and all I want (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=642.msg7056#msg7056).



:NY01:

Allright. Let's blame that on your PC. :)
... which won't say this shouldn't be solved ... :tongue2:

But there's some explicit treatment in there that knows when XXHighEnd has been shut down, and then re-shows the OSD Text. Now, at knowing this, can you help at determining when this doesn't work ?
Or if others notice this too ... it may already help just mentioning that.

Thanks !
Peter

Hello Peter,
I am quite happy with the drag-and-drop function that is now available. To my surprise, the tracks from all underlying folders are loaded into the playlist!! Veeery nice!! :)
Question: playing attended (no wallpaper) and moving the cursor over the playlist, I forgot the name of the track that is currently playing. Is there a place where I can see the name (or path) of the track that is currently playing?
Cheers,
Eric
:15a:

Hi Eric, thank you !

About your question ... maybe I don't understand ? ... it should be the first highlighted track (or the only one when not playing a selection from the Playlist). So, use the scroll "box" at the right, and scroll until you run into that highlighted track. Do not click any other track first, because then you'll undo the highlighting of the playing track.

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Peter,
when I load loooong playlist, I sometimes like to 'preview' what is coming. So I click on another track down the list to see the coverart of this track to come. While I do this, the music keeps on playing (I feel like a real DJ!). That is very nice, but now this new track is highlighted (of course) and I lose the position of highlighted track that is still playing. I tried to find what is currently playing under the Info-tab in XXHE, but there is only technical date and no name in there. Do you get a feel of what I am asking for?
E

Hi Eric,

I see your dilemma .. just tried it myself.

What we basically need is a "now playing" box , or perhaps the path to the bottom right ( just above the progress slider ) expanding to include the track name.

I found a round-about way to see what is currently playing, and that involves opening up  the 'played.dat' ( hidden file ) in notepad and looking at the last entry. Playing with hidden files can be fraught with danger, so i suggest we wait till Peter can incorporate a change to accommodate your needs.

Cheers,

Russ

Hi Russ,
thanks for acknowledging.
Expanding the path to the bottom right to include the track name looks like a fine solution to me. Alternatively, using the Info-tab to contain both the path and the trackname would also work. There is already so much information on the Playlist screen! But honestly, any solution would be okay.
Cheers,
Eric

Just realised the 'Played.dat' isn't a hidden file ( no need to panic now Peter ... haha ). I was looking at the XXDat0000.dao also and mixed up the attributes in my 'ol brain.

RGB

But Eric ... If I listen closely, you not only want to see what is currently playing, but also want to click on another track and see its info ?

I can also say (and summarize) : I don't even understand that if you'd click on another track, playback will continue as planned, and that would never work (meaning : I think playback will continue at the last track clicked, after the currently playing one is finished).

There are more problems with that (clicking on another track during playback IF needed indeed) and this is the scaling of the time bar. Yeah, stupid little problem, but very hard to solve if it would be needed, and I rather do not touch that.

But hey, I'll make something of it.


Btw, do you guys ever think of starting XX a second time ? I do this very frequently, but, I must say that I know what to expect, and know in advance more or less (depending on the time of day hehe) what can't be done in the current instance. For example, one Alt-X just shows where playback is (Attended or Unattended). Or other tricks : start a second instance, mess with it what you want (thinking of settings which will be saved), quit that instance, and *understand* that the already running instance will also save its settings when it's quit. IOW, that second instance it totally harmless to that. A bit similar is starting XXHighEnd while Unattended Playback is going on. You can do all and everything, and when you're finished just click Off. Settings are saved allright in this case, but playback isn't touched with this. Unless you click Stop and the like. :swoon:

This morning i have noticed the following after a play command (unattended mode) :
1 XX disappears to the background;
2 on windows wallpaper OSD text where presented;
3 XX Wallpaper came up (overwrites OSD text);
4 when second track starts, all works ok.

So yes, that actually is your PC ...

What I noticed myself is that the showing of a(nother) Wallpaper is a process that runs on its own, read : when the command is given to do it, you can't wait for it to finish and thus can proceed with anything you want, but the (changed) Wallpaper is still not there. The OS treats this with very low priority (or many things have to be done for it, I don't know). En the end, you too influence it by your own set priorities.
Anyway, at your PC this apparently is too slow ...

Since I already see this happening as a potential problem, I have been thinking whether it is possible to examine the Registry for it, to wee whether it has been done. But sadly it works the other way around because it is just me setting the Registry Keys concerned, so that is of no use.

Can you tell me how much "too late" it is ? When you test this, please mention the size of the picture concerned also (in resolution like 500x500 and in KB).

Thanks,
Peter

About the B.B. King issue ... can anyone provide me with a literal example, including the folder structure in use (a screen copy of Embedded Explorer where the album completely shows including the music files will suffice).
Also, what exactly is the problem ? messages ?

I just tried it, but all works. However, possibly I solved it indirectly via something else which by now has changed. Please use 0.9y-2a for it (a zip for that is somethere in this topic and at the bottom of the original 0.9y-2 download).

Thanks,
Peter

Peter,
what I mean is that clicking only once (not double-click!) shows the coverart of the album that contains that track. The currently playing track is not affected by that action.
Eric

Eric - I really don't know what you are talking about in relation to your before described issue on this. So, please describe this apparently new problem in full. If you think you already did, please do it again. I see three subjects in one by now.

Thank you,
Peter

0.9y-2a, installed several days ago, but B.B. King issue isn't solved.
and its not only B.B. King, lot more albums with a dot in it.(not all)

Just clicking on such an album won't open the folder.
You have click the triangular icon instead.
 :)

No,no, Peter, not a new problem. Just an explanation of what I do. If it was already clear, please ignore it.
Thanks, Eric.

Not tried y2 yet, but before I went away I occasionally experienced an error (with sound stopping) after CHANGING the volume with the mouse in y1-d.

Because I usually change it only by one notch, would it be possible to implement the mousewheel? It would be very handy until I manage to have the IRtrans and remote working (which means rolling back to vista :( )

Now I get it ...

This is solved for the next version;
I think I wrote somewhere (Release Notes ?) about the Split Size being dynamically, meant for the filtering, but a sequence of errors from my hand caused it to work always AND wrongly; When a second track came up, the SplitSize would be set for you at 426MB.
Generally this only happens with non 16/44.1 files, and thus indeed it was true that hirez files didn't work much good anymore.
All behaves normal again now and the whole album stays under 1.34GB. Well, here. :swoon:
:)

Many of that that kind of errors were solved in 0.9y-2(a). I myself see nothing going wrong anymore with the volume (use it all the time). Of course, if I have to I can let it go wrong ...

I think the scrollwheel already works, but you'd have to select the control first (meaning click the button), and next I don't see much difference with sliding the slider.
As you know, it won't respond fast enough to be of real use (or have an advantage) anyway. Well, IMO.
Also, the granularity doesn't fit the volume steps.

Peter

Hi Peter,

I have attached a few screen captures to try and demonstrate the coverart display bug I am seeing.

Coverart_Bug_01: shows the folder structure of my music. I don't currently have them split my genre's, but simply stored as artist\albumname format under a high level folder of M1 , M2 , etc, which corresponds to the disc volume they reside on.

Coverart_Bug_02: shows the initial layout when I click on the upper level M2 entry, with the first entry in the middle panel highlighted to show the other artwork in the righthand panel. Note that "A.C. Marias" , "A.R. Kane" and "a silver mt. zion" are shown.

Coverart_Bug_03: from the last picture I clicked on the entry on the left panel, and, as expected, the contents of the "1000 Homo DJ's" were displayed correctly.

Coverart_Bug_04: following the last picture I then clicked on "A.C. Marias" entry on left panel. Coverart for album appeared in middle panel.

Coverart_Bug_05: clicked on the album entry on left panel under A.C. Marias ( it expanded to show track listed as expected ), however the coverart was now missing in middle panel, although the path text was showing. The artwork showing in right panel was a leftover from previous 'click'.

Coverart_Bug_06: re-clicked back on the main A.C. Marias entry on the left panel and now there is no coverart showing, which differs from the "Coverart_bug_04" scenario above.

Coverart_Bug_07: starting from the view I got in "Coverart_Bug_02" , I then clicked on "A.R. Kane" and no change occured. I would have expected the contents of the A.R. Kane folder to be have shown now. Note: this is the same scenario if I was highlighting my "B.B. King" entry on my "M1" disc.

Coverart_Bug_08" If I click on the little 'expand' triangle to the left of the A.R. Kane album, and then highlight the "I" album, the coverart shows as expected.

Coverart_Bug_09: Just prior to this screenshot I had highted the "A Certain Ratio" entry on left panel. This pcture shows a null response when highlighting the "a silver mt. zion" entry. In a similar scenario to just above, if I expand the entry using the little triangle, and then highlight the album entry underneath, the covertart appears as expected.


Common theme in this bug is the presence of a dot (.) in the album name, and it maybe just co-incidental, but there are only 4 characters following last dot in the name _where you get NO initial response_. The positioning of these artist names within the folder structure may be having an influence either side of the actual entry.

Good luck in tracking it down Peter! It's likely another quirky m$oft gotcha where the pathing names are being mangled somehow.

Cheers,

Russ

Russ, great. :yes:

I think I have seen all the situations pass by once in a while, but never really sat down to look into what happened exactly when. Well, here is my guide !

Your remark about the 4 positions to the right of the dot is key, because it at least prooves that it is me doing something wrong there; indeed I use the last 4 positions (max) to determined whether something is a file or a folder. There's no other means available except checking the existence which may cause a bunch of additional IOs depending on the functionality needing this info (just suppose I had to do this for each track each time Embedded Explorer shows).
But then this is dot-net and I guess I will be able to find some low level API function that is able to determine it (Explorer can do it, so I must be able to).

Allright, I will be fixing this all today, tomorrow ...
Peter

Here's a few  more examples from my M1 harddisc.

The following artists names DO cause problems:

B.B. King
G.E.N.E
J.J. Cale
Jay B. Jay
K. D. Lang

while the following do NOT cause issues.

B.B. KIng & Diane Schuur
B.B. King , Big Mama Thorton & Muddy Waters
Booker T. & The MG's
M.J. Harris & Bill Laswell
Sammy Davis Jr. & Laurindo Almeida

Sort of reinforces the theory that if there is a dot in the folder name, it needs at least 6 characters (including space) following the dot for things to work as desired.

Cheers,

Russ

B.B. King and everyone he played with :), is solved for the next version (0.9y-3).

I noticed that a folder with dot also causes problem to the cover gallery. I just removed the point (it was ALT. ROCK replaced with full word).

BTW, Peter, the xxhe unexpected error with changing the volume still happens with y-2a to me. Tell me which logs do you need (the crash is a couple hours ago, though).

Two things on the scrollwheel:
1) It would be possible to make it work just by putting the mouse on the volume slider w/o clicking it? (i just got an error again by clicking + one scroll up, very annoying -see the previous post). OR just when xxhe window is active.
2) To be a scroll of just ONE step at a time. This can be related to the scroll lines in the mouse properties in vista/w7. Can you verify this? I think the default is 3 lines and the volume jumped of 3 steps, which is obviously more than I want :)
This is the reason why i want it. With the screen at 2m from my seating place i want to just adjust the volume with one mouse click/scroll. If i had the remote working i wouldnt be bothering i know.

More things to improve usability:
3) Add to gallery working on the treeview (the explorer thing), instead of having to select dozens of albums which takes up to ONE MINUTE in my case. Scrolling in the library is VERY slow when exists highres covers. This is the reason why i tried to make a gallery today at last. And its working :)

4) Next and "NT" are too small and the second one lacks the tooltip.

5) Repeat playlist, repeat track commands, ticks or whatever would be very useful. i often like to repeat one track 3-4 times. Also stop after current track (note: Foobar does this).

6) not sure if reordering the tracks in the playlist is fixed now.

Same here for :
U.K.
J.J.Cale
Selection in the directory structure of the gallery don't give the album information in the middle pane!

Hey Eric,

Sorry that I summarized some things, but I want to make clear what can and what cannot work.
So, right now I show the currently playing track at the bottom (can undo that in a second, and it only shows (me) what will be happening).

Allright, if you look below first pic, you see 02-Call the Doctor.wav playing (the .wav may go, and "Album" should be named differently). Now, whether I click another track or scroll to it with the arrow buttons, another track will get highlighted. In my case track 07. The track title at the bottom won't change from that. The time scale does though and I guess I can do something about that. However ...

The inherent mechanism (and that won't be changed) causes the highlighted track to be played next. A, say, DJ-like. :)
So what I mean is that clicking this other track is nothing for returning to where you were (playing), and it is an awkward thing in the end. It will work though, if you only click on the playing track before it ends playing or otherwise the current highlighted track will (second pic below).

Allright ?
Or ... maybe I add a rightclick option "return to playing track" ? :grazy: I'm not sure though whether I can get that into focus again (that it shows in the visible area). These kind of things are not 100% decent for the means I use ...

Peter

Please clarify ? cover gallery ?


The relevant XX and X3 I guess. But please also try to explain what you do; if you try to change the volume three times within 1 second ... never mind, I know that one. Must create something for that ... :yes:

Thanks,
Peter

Sorry, no. :swoon: Reason : the lot is not made for it anyway (see my before post too). Or at least ... not YET.
Please give this some time.


Hey hey ho ho, slow down please. I already don't understand the first part ! Don't understand the second part either "instead of heaving ...") and when scrolling in the library is very slow ... well, what do you want with 38MB pictures hehe. But if I can help somehow with that ... (apart from that you can save them as 500x500 already), please make clear what it is I could do. :whistle:


:scratching:


Stop after current track is a checkbox for (End after track). To be clicked whenever you want to stop (after the track finished playing). Btw very useful if you want to play one trick Unattendedly.

Ticks or whatever ??

I guess repeating a track can be done with A-B selection. NOTE though that I estimate that currently it doesn't work anymore. Messed too much in that area lately. Will check it. Do that 3 times only ... mwah ...

Repeat Playlist ? ... can theoretically be done for Attended. Not for Unattended.


??

Telstar, allow me. I sense that you won't be satisfied much with my answers. But I meant what I said and I really don't get some things.
So if you have some spare time ... please try to explain better. :)

Thanks,
Peter

The album list with cover art does not show for folders named with a dot in it. I didnt pay much attention until I read this thread. Then I removed the dot and it worked. :)


No, but i take some time (up to 2s i think) to choose the desired level, because the slider is very small and the text even smaller.
Until I release the mouse button, it shouldnt change the volume, that way this known issue shouldnt happen. Am i correct?

Yes, but what is the difference with was already known (and what I just solved here) !!?
I myself coudn't find anything else besides "from the Embedded Explorer" (which I didn't know at first).


If it is for me ... yes, correct ! :) :)
Now you will understand why the scroll wheel doesn't work in the first place (as how it is now).

Note you can click also, but there's a time limit on that (like 500ms or something). Do it right after that again, and things will go wrong (until it is processed). So, not finished with that one. :nea:

Trying to rephrase.
In the treeview on the left, would it be possible to rightclick on a folder and have an "add to gallery" context menu?
This instead of selecting all the albums from the library window?
Alternatively, a create gallery button or command to do it all from the settings? That would probably the best for the future. No hurry anyway.

:scratching:

I was referring to the "Nt" and "Nal" buttons, actually scambling them. The "Nal" button has no tooltip. I dont remember why you added it, but I preferred when there was just Next, which was readable.
I dont know why you chose to have only buttons and not menu commands, that would be easier to do changes/additions.


My requests are all for attended. I would really like the repeat track (infinite until i unckeck it) and repeat playlist.


I meant to move the order of one track in the playlist, using the mouse, to rearrange the songs in a playlist.
I remember it was broken a couple of months ago and I remember you told me that was going to be fixed asap. So my question was: has it been fixed?

Hi Peter,

I have been bussy on other stuff for a while but finally downloaded the new version 0.9-2
Unfortunately This version does not work for me since the programm just refuses to start playing.
Whenever I select an album it takes some time before it comes back with this message "engine#3 did not start within the expected time" (see attachment):


The system I use is:
AMD Turion, X@ Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-80 2.10 GHz, 3G RAM. 32-bits
Output USB straight to music system (no external DAC)

Hope you can help me out
regards
Leon

Hi Leon,

try putting the executable for 0.9y-2a over the top of your current install.

See here .... http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=888.msg7026#msg7026

I also noticed you have Volume set at -120db in the screen capture ??

Cheers,

Russ

Besides, but maybe unrelated, you seem to have something "messed up" with where XXHighEnd is installed ? I mean, those files showing in the right pane really shouldn't be there ... They belong in your (appointed) Data folder and this hardly can be (or should be) under (or within) that Yello album.

Thanks Russ,

I tried that before, and tried it again. unfortunately no result.
the volume set was like that as default

Regards
Leon

Hi Peter,

As for where XXHighEnd is installed see screencapture

When trying to get the stuff working I peviously set the datafile on the adress where XXHighEnd was installed

regards
Leon

Leon - I don't know what, but you have something wrong there. First thing is : you are "messing" with the settings. Not only Volume, but also "Dac Is" and I guess everything (I mean, it looks like you don't pay "enough" attention to the settings before trying to play. Ehh, looks like, maybe I'm wrong).

The Data folder is allowed to point at the XX folder itself, but that still wouldn't show those files there. To me it looks like you try to play a file from within the XX folder (what about that torrent file) and that won't go. Yello looks allright, but I don't know the implications of such an attempt (again, if I am right in the first place).

Besides, this just should work !
If you can't find the culprit, please post your XX log file and the X3 log file if there.
:scratching:
Peter

Allright, now I understand.
I could do that, but it will urge for anomalies you may not expect at this time. I mean, by asking this you kind of proove that you are not using XX as intended. Thus, once you have Galleries, there is no logical way or reason to have shown orginal albums (meaning : at their original physical locations) in the treeview;
You have one and one only Music Root, and as soon as you have Galleries it will point to that (a Gallery Root). So yes, you can change that Root of course, but it is no way of working. Additionally, you can't select more than one album in that Treeview (nothing strange about that, Windows can't do it either (at-that-position !), so it is really nothing to want or like.
What you mean by that button ? I again don't understand. :sorry:


Well, honestly, the fact you don't know what a button does (yes my fault !) is hardly a reason to want it out, right ?
Also, for newcomers you would be perfectly right that "Next" is better readable than "Nt", but it is beyond me why *you* need this better readable. I'll stick an arrow on it in due time, then everybody will understand (and I assume you were thinking of newcommers).
Nal stands for Next Album, which jumps to the first track of the next album in the Playlist.


Ah ok. But now you tell me what this is about. So, yes it has been solved, yes it has been mentioned in the topic this was dealt with, yes it was in the release notes, but no you did not try and instead ask the question ?
Or it just doesn't work for you maybe ?

and


What is the verdict on this one ? don't tell me this was about similar and I just answered on this a post earlier which you didn't read ...
please ... :) :)

Peter,

I didn't mess with anything, normally I only needed to download the new version, set the Music Root and just go.
Since I don't use a DAC I never needed to bother about "Dac is"
The settings are now like this see capture
I also included one of the logs you asked for (strangely enough this was placed in a temp directory within the former directory XXHighEnd was installed)
the file X3Quit.dat I could not find on the system

regards
Leon

Hey Leon,


This is not "strangely enough", this is WRONG, can't be, won't work, name it. I don't know what happened, "messed with" is between quotes, but you should get rid of it. I don't you your brand for beer, but I estimate that when you examine your shortcurt, it points to something unexpected (my brand is Alfa :drinks:).

What will be happening is that things are mixed which should not, and that will never work.

Btw, you must be able to find an X3 file, similarly named (date/time) as the XX file. The X3Quit.dat is unrelated. If you can't find the X3 in the place the X2 resides, this means that you will be running a mix of XXHighEnd of version A and XXEngine3 of version B. Find that log file and you'll find the XXEngine3 version in use.

Or just create a new folder, perform a fresh "install", do nothing further (hence never mind the license for now) and see that ... it will work.
Well, I assume.
Next you will be getting the license OK again.

Hope this helps !
Peter

Hello Peter,
Thanks for the explanation, I think I understand what you are saying. No problem with the way it has been setup. When you would also show the currently playing track at the bottom (like in the picture), I would be more than satisfied.
Next version, hopefully?

Cheers, Eric.

Hi Peter,

I like Alfa a lot, though yesterday it was Palm!!. :blush1:

That might have caused the problem, cause you were completely right with an error in the shortcut.
After repairing that, the system functions ........... though only now in "demomode".

So all in all Mea Culpa, I am deeply sorry for the inconvenience and I am on my knees before the pc with red eyes from crying about my own stupidity.

Thanks in advance for taking care of the activation code.

best regards
Leon

Leon, no problem ! This is how I get my Alfa ... win a few, loose a few, but in general I'm okay. Don't need peanut butter either.

You can enter your before in use Activation Code again; that should work.
If you have lost it, in the folder you used before (if still there) there's a XXHighEnd1xx.dat file where the code is stored in. Copy that file into your current now working folder.

If all fails, let me know (still no problem).
:party:

boleary - hi,

It just slipped through my mind how easy it is to let the device initialization work as before. Or anyway for that part that should be causing it.
I think - but can not be sure - this is about how your M-Audio responds to relative changes, and it may not be able to do it at all. Or at least not how WASAPI this dictates. Also, I of course assume that you didn't change anything with your chain (being M-Audio - MSB according to you signature), and that *that* chain worked before.

If the below XXEngine3.exe helps I can make a parameter for it ("Initialization type" or something), and you would be using the old way.
Important : This is not a production version and it won't be consistent with your XXHighend.exe, but I expect you can use it sufficiently to try this. If you were used to try it by dragging the time cursor to near the end of "track 1" and that gives you errors, just try it with running "track 1" all the way through. That will most probably work for this combination.
Do not forget to save your current XXEngine3.exe.

If this helps, I wonder what is special about the M-Audio. One thing I can expect : if this is a 24 bit device @ 96KHz (and it should since you seem to use it like that), how is that different from a. the other USB devices which don't support 24/96 and b. how is it different from the "24 bit only" devices where the new method of initialization was made for. IOW ...
I feel something more is going on here, because I don't suspect a 3rd method for USB to exist. But what about this being 16/96 (which is normal for USB), and what do you actually do to let this work with the MSB ... if this is true *and* you know this in the first place (whether it is 16/96).
Another question would be : what do you select for "DAC Needs" ? 24 or 32 ?

Sorry for the question, but I merely like to know what is going on than just solve the problem without understanding.
Anyway let me know whether it helps. :)
Peter