XXHighEnd

Peter,
I run a separate disc drive with Netflix, Spotify, google etc for everyday use. Is it possible for me to run the latest XXhighend on this with the current updated W10. I'm not running Ram OS or minimised. Its for background music mainly and my wife(not digitised) to use?

A downgraded version in reality but still sounds better than the other options.

Robert

Hi Robert,

I don't see why not;
The problems (with upgraded W10 OSes) usually emerge in the Minimized OS path and this now is not in order. So I think it should be fine. And if not, you are going to tell us ?
:)

Kind regards,
Peter

As I haven't done this for sometime now, is there anything I need to do to make this work?

Robert

Hi Robert,

Just install & run XXHE as always. The only additional requirement for you could be adding .NET 3.5 and that's easy when your PC is connected to internet (Open 'Settings' and search for 'Turn windows features on or off')

Brgds,
George

Robert,

Also, some of the settings for XXHE only work in minimized mode.

Ramesh

Well I've downloaded all required Net 3.5 and just can't get it to load. Reminds me of grief I had before Ram OS.

Hi Robert,

A bit confusing info 'can't get it to load'. What you see when you start 'turn windows features on or off'? If you have black squares like this (see attached pic) under .NET section, you are good to continue with XXHE installation.

George

Thanks for replies nik.d and Ramesh and the Net 3.5 was all correct. UAC is off. I get this message on the screen. 


I tried to add message photo to this message but this wouldn't work either.

Robert

Robert, why not ? If you don't know how to do it, under Aditional Options during posting (under the window you're typing in).

It comes to me that the UAC always must be on for normal usage. So the error very well can spring from that.

Best regards,
Peter

Hi Peter,

If you remember our last e-mail corresp. - I had this very same error on my AudioPC (lost XXHE licence) under normal OS. Think it is not UAC (set to Low-Never Notify position) but rather something with disabling Win Defender and some functions in Action Center - I tried to stop security messages popping up every now and then :)

Hi George,

Well, this will be tough to investigate then. All I know is that it may "rain" the very same messages when you in Minimized OS try something like setting the screen background as the easiest example. And while you receive the message from rightclick on the desktop, doing the same via control panel gives no issues.

Point is and remains : one (Robert) should use the PC "as is" and not half-tweak with XXHighEnd (like shutting off UAC).

Btw, Robert, when do you receive that message ? what did you do to incur for it ?

Regards and thank you George,
Peter

Hi I downloaded XXh to C driver folder. I do run windows defender on this computer and UAC shut off as normal. This is not a dedicated audio computer. I have Net 3.5 working. Then hit XXh.exe and a hot key is setup then the warning message comes up without changing anything in this computer. I havn't loaded XXh into an OS since Ram OS.

As XXh is designed to run in a unique protected environment which is the best for listening. Its not worth the trouble to make it do anything less I guess.

Robert

Robert, that could be correct.
But that doesn't prohibit that it should normally run in a random "normal" OS. But as this is "updated" Windows 10, well ... now I don't know.

What about coughing up the newest logfile starting with XX when this message is on-screen ?

Regards,
Peter

Peter, yes I will send you that log file tomorrow.

Interesting Miska of HQplayer has been saying recently he has been concerned by the number of W10 updates which must be creating issues for his software. The last update wiped out my bridged ethernet connection with Music server(Has current W10). Keeping locked into 1 version of W10 is a great advantage for XXh.

The updates are weekly and some major for W10. Everyone complains in our neck of the woods(Mostly people not into audio).

Robert
 

Hi Robert,

Yes, there are a lot of complaints, lately.

Question : Why do you not prevent Updates via XXHighEnd, though in Normal OS etc. ? I'd reckon this just works ?
Watch out please : if this fails, it will be because of Defender blocking some registry change I apply. Please let me know if you recognise that this indeed is the case. If so, I have a version for you which will avoid this issue (while Defender can keep on running).

Best regards,
Peter

I just realised I can't send you a log file from Xxhighend as I can't get it installed.

Robert

Robert,

XXHighEnd-210e-X.rar (http://www.stordiau.nl/downloads/XXHighEnd-210e-X.rar)

What happens with that one ?
Paste over your current 2.10(x) folder, unzip in there and try it.

Peter

Peter I get the same message, no install. I tried it with UAC on and off. Windows defender apps are off except for Firewall & Network protection. The internet feed is from my music server which does have Windows defender fully on.
I do have all unnecessary/unwanted W10 applications turned off on this disc drive.

Robert

Hi Robert,

What is the Build of that Windows 10 ?
I think these days a command prompt will show it readily in the prompt itself. But otherwise in there run WinVer.

Hopefully I can find a machine with the same Build over here and try it ...

Peter

Hi Peter,

Think Robert already mentioned it is latest W10 update. And it is exactly the same thing that happened to my 14393.0 AudioPC: I have turned off (uninstalled) some of Win bloatware like 3D, OneDrive etc etc. I'm typing from some old W7 PC and cannot show list of 'Apps' however stopping or uninstalling one of them leads to 'missing component' error and inability to run/install XXHE.

Brgds,
George
 

W10Pro64, V1803, Build 17134.48.

Robert

OK, then I am curious how you'd think I know what the latest update is for you (or Robert), say one week after. Anyway I have no clue (obviously).
Mine is 16299.341 (always online). So worthless in this regard.


OK, now I don't understand what you're saying. You mean that 2.10c does not work for you on even 14393.0 ?

I suppose I am lost now. :dntknw:

Best regards,
Peter

It just works here on that Build (not activated, no Playback attempt).
It is only that I don't see the Build number in the Playlist Area after pressing Clear. So this is odd anyway.

You guys did check all the .exe's for being Blocked, right ?

Peter

Yes I unblocked exe files and all application files. Same warning no installation. This computer is on nearly all the time so picks up W10 latest builds.

Robert

There isn't any detail information (via a button) on the message possible, right ?

Meanwhile I will try to think of what this can be ...

Peter

Hi Peter,

- If your PC is constantly on internet, it should update to 1803 (17134.48) as last update. Update to 1803 was on May 23rd: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4100403/windows-10-update-kb4100403
- I mentioned my case of inability to run (install) XXHE on AudioPC in this topic and is related to our e-mail conversation where I sent to you small screenshot of the same error like Robert's (my photo in this topic)
- Both of us, Robert and I, removed some of W10 built-in 'Apps' under Windows Features, like '3D' app, 'OneDrive' app and several others that are not audio related. It looks like removing one of them (hopefully one) somehow leads to inability to install XXHE - instalation complains "The specified module could not be found ..." ful text here: http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=4043.msg43325#msg43325
 
Brgds
George

And to clarify a bit further - it is the same uninstalled app(lication) that causes subject error regardless of W10 build - same error exists in 14393.0 and 17134.48 (.81 as last update)

Not that I can find. May be quicker for you to have a look with Teamview in the next week when it suits. Not tonight for me.

Robert

It isn't so that the "next week" just started, right ?
:)

Summarized :

Yes, it is quite confusing, also because the help George offered (or tried to via referring to his emails) didn't ring belles really because it requires his elaboration in the topic in here PLUS it assumes that Robert indeed eliinated the same from his OS installe. Mind you please : Robert, indeed it looks like your sort of half-cooked tried to eliminate things from the OS and you shouldn't No-thing. At least that is what George is suggeseting, him knowing quite sure that it is about one of the things he eliminated. Now, with the help of his emails, this is the conclusion of that :

Reinstall the OS and let all be as it is. Now install XXHighEnd.
Works ? then my contribution : then you can eliminate things piece by piece until it stops working and next hope you can set it back. Of course start out with making a Restore Point.

So do notice (and George, correct me if I am wrong) :
George too could not solve the problem and he has no real idea what was eliminated from the OS that causes this issue. George reinstalled the OS and after that has been very careful.

Additionally I tell you guys that you should leave the UAC alone, unless you can predict for 100% what it does. The UAC is required to run apps and when that is not alllowed, you plainly get those literal errors (depending on what you do). So respect both : do not eliminate anything and let UAC run.
Also to be hopefully clear : Sliding the UAC slider to the bottom is not shutting off UAC as how XXHighEnd accomplishes it. So XXHighEnd is worse on the job. Read : when you'd use the Stop button in XXHighEnd for it, I guarantee that nothing normally works any more. The slider is a bit up to you, but may imply the same depending on the "app". And if not today, then tomorrow (new W10 update).

Hope this helps now ?
Regards,
Peter

PS: :offtopic: George, the W10 PC I have here is also always on (but see next sentence), but did not receive this update yet. The funny thing with it is that it's set to receive the update in "quiet hours" but in those hours it is always off (for the purpose). So somehow this seems yo help against updates ?
Btw, this PC (laptop) is a normally bought one and has never been part of some fast ring etc. experience. Otoh, it has been updated numerous times. Some times each day of the week.

And allow me, because I think it can be relevant :

Below is what George received initially (!!) from his XXHighEnd install. The remainder - very similar of not the same as Robert experiences - happened after "resetting" the XXHighEnd install data (RightClick on Save As etc.).
Also see the attached .txt file which is the content of the error after clicking the "Details" button.

This error in itself I recognize, but I can't tell what incurs for it in this situation. I'm contemplating an error message to put forward about No Sound Device found or something similar (without XXHighEnd showing actively because this is about the Install (I think !)). The bringing forward of the message now fails with the error presented (below). This situation can be called a bug in XXHighEnd and it can only be solved when I can mimic it over here.

All 'n all it is a bit of a complex situation.

Peter

I'll be back home probably tomorrow and will do what Peter nicely summed up in his previous post: boot into normal OS and start uninstalling one by one 'App' until I get stuck with subject error. And report here of course. Last time solution to problem was simple: fresh W10 installation :)
Since I've got new 14393.0 ISO file ('N' variance this time) I'm really planning to format disk and start all over again with it. Have enough cold white wine for light, Summer 'spritzer'  :smile:

Btw, here is small download tool that will help download any M$oft Windows ISO image you wish: https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-iso-download-tool

Peter,
        I will say the W10 in this disc is standard but I have turned off unwanted Win Apps in the Win settings window only as per normal user. Also the UAC slider is set to lowest I have not turned it off. The W10 was cloned from another disc but has worked perfectly since. Should I do a fresh installation?

Robert 

Hi Robert,

Well, if you like to do that, it would be the fastest. And then without changing anything really, try XXHighEnd.

Or wait for whether Gerorge maybe finds the culprit after all.

Or, if you intend a reinstall anyway, first try to restore the current install to the oldest Restore Point you can find and see whether that maybe helps.

Best regards,
Peter

Here's a short report of my playing with 'AudioPC' trying to replicate subject error: No success. XXHE starts normally.
I've uninstalled all unneeded Apps that came with W10 14393.0 using Settings + PowerShell + CleanMyPC sw and tried starting XXHE after each uninstalled app. Always normal start.
Did not touch Defender, think it is disabled by XXHE?

No.
Where Defender runs (and even keeps on running in MinOS) is a complete mistery to me. I never had to disable it but this sure does not count for everyone.

Thanks for trying !
Peter

Peter
       Fresh W10 installation has worked with XXhighend at last. I'd almost swear I have better sound with Netflix and Spotify. Getting Microsoft network to work was a pain to see Music file server. Anyway guess I will register so I can get the most out of it in reduced mode. Have to say Ram Os 2.10 is sounding amazing in contrast we have a long weekend for the Queens birthday. Listening to unplayed files since 2.10 upgrade and settings. Thanks.

Robert

Hi Robert, - great that is.

The Queen's (ever lasting) birthday, however, seems to be June 9. Well, the celebration of it (I think she's 92 or so long gone). Good to be prepared of course but don't make it too wild over there. Plus, Charles won't like that. If only Diana would still be among us ...

:)

Peter