XXHighEnd

Hi Peter,

There is only one Ethernet port on the Mini. What is the best approach in this situation?

Thanks - Michael

Hi Michel,

OK, clear.
Doesn't the Mini have WiFi ?

Peter

Hi Peter,

Of course the Mini has WiFi. So the chain could be:

Surface -> (RDC, WiFi) -> Mac Mini -> (RDC, cable) -> Stealth.

Thanks - Michael

Yes Michael, great.
When you got the hang of it we can expand to whatever you like best for any reason.

Best regards,
Peter

PS: Yes, of course the PC takes a USB stick. But since (it will be worse for SQ and) you have the risk of it utilizing Drive letter D: which is not allowed, it is only challenging for additional problems. First get acquainted with (many) things. :)

Hi Peter,

Well, I'm running in quite a few hurdles on the communications side.

First my Mac mini doesn't have a Wi-Fi connection anymore. I haven't used it for the past 5 years and now that I need it, it doesn't work. I checked everything and it's negative. Maybe I disconnected it when I installed the SSD and modified the power supply in the past, I don't remember.

I tried to connect the Mac to the Stealth directly but again it doesn't work despite the fact that I set all the authorizations on both PC's. The Mini is not seen on the Stealth.

Then I tried to connect the Stealth to my home network but I couldn't get the connection going. There were no lights at all at the ethernet port of the Stealth. This cable connection always worked with the Mini. Then to make a test I moved the Stealth beside the router and connected both with a short ethernet cable, and...it worked. So maybe my long cable (~15 meters) is not good enough for the 1Gb speed. It's a Cat6, 550 MHz.

While the Stealth was connected to the router I tried to connect to it via an RDC on the Surface Pro but I couldn't. When it fails I get the following message: ''This could be due to CredSSP encryption oracle remediation''. I use the good IP address with the Userid XXHE and the PW xx.

Would you have a few hints to help me go through this sh*t.

The good news is that for the main part it works. I can boot in RAM-OS and remove the SSD from the bay. And it plays music. However my special setup practically prevents me from using it because as you know all the electronics equipment is in the basement, underneath the living room where the speakers are located.

I know that it will eventually work but for the time being it's kind of frustrating. :wacko:

Thanks - Michael

Hey there Michael,

Sorry for your frustration, but that's computers eh.
And forums ...


So it is a kind of unwritten rule that you should follow the Phasure forum. Haha. Luckily you got that explicit message about CredSSP, although you are the most unlucky guy to run into this while it was introduced only the past week.
CredSSP policy change - no RDP possible (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=4034.0).
So the least you are dealing with is that and otherwise it is a most normal RDP connection. But if one is not used to that, nothing is normal.
Btw, if you use the Ethernet port with the green dot next to it ... that's the one I have been using over here on the very PC.
And connect via IP addresses and not via PC names.

All beginning is difficult, and when one hurdle has been taken, an other pops up ...
:yes:

Heads up and let's get it going,
Peter

Michael,

Something else is that you told me that you were able to boot from RAM. OK. But now knowing that you didn't arrange for the RDP connection, this is quite not what the install guide tells you for the sequence of matters. So it is quite possible that now you are in all of the wrong modes where nothing will install and nothing is persistent either (RAM).

Boot into Normal OS, BASE. If you are in MinOS RAM right now :
- Boot into the BASE version.
- Boot into Normal OS.
Now you are in normal OS BASE.

Peter

And ... Your 14393.0 could be upgraded to whatever you don't want.
Does XXHighEnd still show 14393.0 in the main screen after pressing Clear ?

You-do-not-want to connect the Audio PC to the internet.
But I think you just did. :hips:

Hi Peter,

My RDC now works, thanks to Anthony. clapping: A few days ago I saw this thread 'CredSSP policy change - no RDP possible' but didn't pay enough attention to it and yesterday I didn't make the connection between the error message I was getting and this thread. I followed Anthony's recipe and voilà. And by the way RDC works with the IP address and the PC name.

Now regarding the OS when I wrote my previous email the Stealth was running from the Base not from RAM. In this email I just wanted to say that I had confirmed that the PC was able to boot from RAM. But for all the tests the Stealth runs from the Base.

The OS version shown on the upper left corner of XXHighEnd is 'D:\MyW10-14393.vhd'. So I don't think that the OS has been updated with Internet.

Regarding Internet, there are a few ways to disable it on a PC. Which one would you recommend?

And I'm still thinking about a way to get the Mac mini to be used as a music server with only one built-in Ethernet port (the WiFi is dead). However I have a means to add a 2nd Ethernet port with a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor that I have on hand. I tried it and it works. However there needs to be a bridge setup between both ports so that a RDC to the Mini could also reach the Stealth. This will be my next step.

In the mean time I just want to be able to establish a RDC directly with the Stealth so that I can begin to listen to music.:smile: To do so unfortunately the PC must be directly connected to the router but I don't want internet to reach into it.

Thanks - Michael

OK, first things first now.


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Peter

Hi Peter,

As mentioned in my previous email ''The OS version shown on the upper left corner of XXHighEnd is 'D:\MyW10-14393.vhd'. So I don't think that the OS has been updated with Internet.''

Michael

:(

Hi Michael,

Peter wants you to know the OS in the XXHE playlist screen. Image no 12 attached.

Also to stop W10 updating, right click on the stop button in XXHE & choose the option to stop updating. Image 13 attached.

Best regards,

Arvind

Thank you very much Arvind.

OK Michael, I am afraid that by the time you're back behind the keyboard, we didn't communicate much today. So in case you still have 14393.0 running for real (and by my means of observing please), this topic could help you : A secure way to prevent Windows 10 , updates on the audio PC (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3747.0). Please keep in mind that this is only one of them / the possibilities and it is not exactly your situation, but it may give you some pointers. I think it is also a good idea to read the sequence of things to do once more (Install Guide "addendum") plus my today's first post. All is quite exact untill you blindly know what to do - it just is so for the moment. :blush1: We just don't want to mess up (which is relatively easy).

Kind regards,
Peter

PS: That link I gave is not to leave you be with it but to leave you with something for the day.

Hi Arvind - Thanks for the information. I confirm that the OS version is 14393.0. Also regarding the W10 update, the right clic on the stop button shows ''Clic to Allow W10 Updates'' not ''Clic to Stop W10 Updates''. The version of XXHighEnd is 2.10c and I never clicked on this one so I presume that when XXHE is installed the default state is that the W10 Updates is blocked. Peter can you confirm?

Right now my main objective is to have the Stealth to communcate on my LAN. It's a bit strange that the 2 Cat6 cables (15 meters ea.) between the router and where the electronics equipment is located can carry the communication to the Mac mini but not with the Stealth. There is not even a LED on, on the Stealth LAN port. When I move the Stealth close to the router and connect it with a short cable it works. I think I will get another cable.

Michael

Michael,

The shortest Ethernet can do is 160 meters (and that is from gear from 30 years ago). So it can't be the length.
Btw, you could test the cable by connecting your Mini to it, I suppose ?


That depends. For normal RAM-OS Disk situations (they are sold separately just the same) this is not the case. For dedicated installs like yours it depends on whether I think of it. Point is : the Audio PC is regarded not to be connected to te Internet at any time (it can of course, but there you go with problems - not today then tomorrow).
Because your "install" took quite many hurdles, I did the install many times. So actually I don't know. But apparently I did.

Regards,
Peter

I wanted to tell yesterday but I forgot I suppose :
There is no such "procedure" as observing whether the Audio PC sees the other end.

- Obtain IP address from the Audio PC (IPConfig);
- Enter that IP Address in the RDP Client (your Mini) (please don't be ignorant with PC Names);
- Connect (log in).

It is as simple as that (the OS on the Audio PC is prepared for this), but only when at first the Audio PC is in Normal OS Mode and when not connected via a router (with possible firewall issues).

The fact that no led lits doesn't tell a thing in this case. When there is no connection there is also no led (I noticed that myself). Of course the Ethernet cable must be OK.

On another note : a bridge in the Audio PC never brought me the solution. However, maybe in combination with the topic I linked to from RMalits - I never tried it any more after having that "knowledge").

Maybe it helps that I tell that close to 100% of people use the connection how I advised it (thus one Ethernet port in the Audio PC). It would be true that the Music Server PC requires two Ethernet ports in "convenient" circumstances. So, the inconvenient way is both via the router and it is there where RMalits' topic applies for sure.

Best regards,
Peter

Hi Peter,

Good news: the communication is established with the Stealth. :) The problem was with the Cat6 cables. Both cables were good with the Mac mini but not with the Stealth. :wacko2: A RDC can now be established with the Stealth with either its name (RAM-OS) or the IP address.

I will carefully read the Rmalits thread http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3747.msg40035#msg40035 as you suggested to find a way to use the Mac mini as a Music Server while it bears only 1 Ethernet port.

Thanks - Michael

Remember ... :this:
(and I don't like to repeat everything a dozen times, OK ?)


I recall you said something about an additional LAN card. If possible, go for that. Way way more easy and always secure.

No go for it ! :)
Peter