XXHighEnd

So here it is  :prankster:

I am going to attempt making a remote control trough a music server..

I have 2? options..

Which should i choose?

 :)

Hi Gerard,

In my opinion, you need to connect audio pc, music server & NAS to an Ethernet switch .
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-GS205-100UKS-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00AYRZYG4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1493628581&sr=8-4&keywords=Ethernet+hub

Create static IP address for all 3, XXHE pc, music server & NAS.

RDP connection between XXHE PC & music server.

Then connect music server & remote tablet over wifi, maybe Bluetooth but I'm not sure.

Best regards,

Arvind

ok thanx....

So 1 cable from meterkast to the place where i have the XX pc and Music server... I have such a switch laying around somewhere so i can use that....

Thanx

Gerard, my strong recommendation is to go for your option 2. This will totally isolate your audio PC from the internet. You will then need to set up an RDC connection from the server to the audio PC - simple to do. And then connect to the server remotely in whichever way works for you.

I used to use a Synology NAS and switched to a server PC a while ago. It's a much neater solution IMO. But one thing I found was that everything works 'better' if both the server and audio PC use Win10.

Sorry, don't have time to go further right now, but ask any questions and I'll answer in a short while.

Mani.

Hi Gerard,

To your question...yes.

Referring to Mani's suggestion, your music server would need to have 2 lan ports. One to connect NAS & the other to connect to audio pc. If I have understood Mani's suggestion correctly.

Best regards,

Arvind

Mani and Arvind,

Thank you....

So both W10.....  :good:

But i was thinking if i do it like this.... I do not need internet???

This for my situation would be ideal for now....

This will work????

 :)

Hi Gerard,

If you're still considering a NAS for music data storage, that would need to be connected to the music server via Lan.

Best regards,

Arvind

Hi Arvind,

With again the notice that I don't like a NAS etc. etc. and don't own one, are you sure about this :


Because I think that can not work because of two reasons :
1. You can not share the NAS to a PC and another PC next using the data of the NAS via again a share the Music Server PC has (the NAS can not be shared again);
2. It *is* possible when the 2x LAN connections are bridged (via the both Network Adapters), but now the Audio PC is connected to the Internet.

Of course there's more do's and don't's like Gerard implying (?) that he won't be connected to the Internet at all. This allows for #2 above.

Gerard, I need to stress that you are working (or seem to be working) on a setup which disallows Internet all together, which is fine. But it also cuts you from (e.g. ?) Tidal and for some future you may want that.
So I say that the Music Server PC should be connected to the Internet.

For Arvind (and others) : no NAS allows you to utilize Tidal via XXHighEnd or IOW that does require a PC as such. And now if you put everything together (what I said above), the NAS is redundant.
Only when you allow the Audio PC to connect to the Internet, the whole is a different story. But let that be for now because it is only confusing and I don't think anyone would really want that.

Sorry to interfere !
:)
Peter

Hi Peter,

With the above connection I can access the NAS from both audio pc (via RDP) as well as music server. Pls note I do not have monitor, keyboard or mouse connected to the audio pc. I operate the XXHE pc via music server (laptop) using RDP.

My music server is connected to the internet via wifi. But no internet connection to the audio pc.

I hope this answers all the questions. Otherwise shoot some more.

Best regards,

Arvind

Hey Arvind,


I misread you here and interpreted it as "via LAN cable". Literally though you said "network and thus via switch/router".

I apologise !
Peter

Ok i am going to skip the idear with the NAS for now...

I have a second pc which i do not use and can make it a music server with one 8 TB HDD...

 :)

Good choice. I'd recommend that you get hold of a second HDD and keep a backup of your 8TB HDD on the server also. The HDDs in my server all spin down after literally a few seconds of inactivity and remain that way until accessed again. The Win10 OS is on a separate SSD. When using XX in Unattended and 'copy to XX file', all the files are transferred to RAM in the audio PC and the HDDs in the server spin down. I reckon it's a really neat solution, and should increase the longevity of the HDDs.

Mani.

Ah that sounds good... That's what i did not like in this setup... In my case the Music server is in the same dresser as my XXhighend pc.

Making the XX pc quit as possible but a music server which still makes noise  :wacko:

 :thankyou:

Try a laptop as music server. Won't make noise.

Hi Gerard,

Buy a Nuc or Barebone e.g. GIGABYTE BRIX GB-BACE-3150 fanless  € 150,-

Regards Johan

Thanx i will look into it... :-)

Ok.....

Am i correct that a connection (LAN) between a laptop and the xxhighendpc wont work because off the fact that the XXHighend pc which is not connected to the internet has no IP adress?

So RDP wont work...

When i enter IPCONFIG in the XXpc there is no IP adress shown

 :)

Hi Gerard,

You are correct. But you can determine a fixed ip address on the lan card and use that on both sides.

regards, Arjan

Hey Arjan,

 And how can i do that?  :scratching: :scratching:

 :)

Hi Gerard,

Try to google for setup static ip address windows 10.

e.g. https://www.supportrix.com/kb/how-to-set-a-static-or-fixed-ip-address-in-windows-10/

I use 192.168.1.2 as fixed IP address.

Hope this helps you further.

Ok will try that when i am home...

I can do that in 14393.0 in the XX pc?

Do not need to go to another version?

 :)

Gerard, these things must be arranged for while being in Normal OS ...

Peter

Peter,

I did that  :)

Both pc are not connected to the internet.

I liked to try to make a connection from my laptop to the Audiopc.

Connected both with LAN kabel.

Going to try making a IP adres when i am home

 :)

Hi Gerard,

Control panel/Network & Internet/Network Connections/right click on Ethernet/ click properties from drop down menu/select internet protocol version4 (TCP/IPv4)/double click/select use only the following IP address/in IP address enter 192.168.1.1/press Tab which will give subnet mask 255.255.255.0/click ok.

Same process for the other PC or laptop except enter IP address as 192.168.1.2.

Now you've created static IP address for each PC.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Arvind

Hello Peter,

Als Arvind Said i liked to go to the Network connections on the audio pc.

But the folder is empty.

Any idear?

 :)

Ah turned of in BIOS  :) :) ;)

Ok next  ;)

I got these message....

I don't know really, but I don't think the account name (gebruikersname) is RAM-OS. It will be XXHE.
Not easy to get the overview with the size of you pictures. I know I know, you want to show off with your camera ...

:) :)

Sorry its easy with my tablet.....

But XXHE wont work...

Gerard, that is the computer name you are showing there. The representative part you already filled with the IP address (this is good).

So, account name ...
(XXHE)

Peter

Same message...

Yes i/whe have done it  :) :) :) :)

So now to the next.....

And that is music from the laptop to the Audiopc....

 Thanx

Change from one integrated system to Music Server + Audio PC (Control) (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3211.0).

Everybody :blob8:

I have it all working  :) Everything disconnected from my Audio pc and the laptop takes over  ;)

This sure was the most difficult thing i did on a pc.  :)

Thank you all!!

 :)

Congratulations!

Great. I'm sure you'll find an improvement in the SQ.

Cheers

After 5 day's of been using this i do not have any problem regarding playback what so ever!!

Not one sudden stop or tick....

  :goodjob::thankyou:

Glad you got it all working Gerard. It was a difficult job for me as well, way above my computer capacity. One thing I recently found was that unplugging the laptop from the mains and just running off it's battery gives a more organic sound. Not a huge difference but, for me, a significant difference. I just ordered a new battery for the laptop yesterday.

But the music plays from the xxpc? :scratching:

How do you mean?

Your audio pc is the laptop....

 :)

No, the laptop is the server (4tb external hd with music files connected to laptop) which is connected to the audio pc (running XXHighend-no mouse keyboard, fans but running RAM-OS)through the LAN, which I believe is what you did too?

So running the laptop on battery power improves the sound coming from the audio pc. I guess there must be some small amount of noise that gets into the audio pc via the LAN connection. Running the laptop on battery power helps reduce that noise.

I think it can be so that the Music Server PC spits on to the mains with its Switching Power Supply (probably a 19V brick in your case, Brian) and this noise gets into the Audio PC (which in your case also has a Switching Power Supply IIRC), but alas).

I have the Music Server PC in a sperate ring (with separate earth). I must say that I never tried it with a Linear Power Supply ...

Peter

Ah ok.....

But i have so many switching stuff......  :(

Could you try that Peter?

Would be  easy  :)

 :)

Hello Peter,

Remember this post?

It has been a long time that i played music and yesterday i could not get it working.

I connected the laptop to the music pc and tried to make the connection by using the shortcut (MSTSC)

Two weeks ago i removed a lot of documents and foto's to make extra space on the laptop.

Could it be that i moved a certain file that i need to make it work?

Thanx Gerard

Gerard, maybe your last activities on/for that laptop caused a Windows 10 update ? Or, that happened earlier already but you never tried RDC since ?

Look here :
CredSSP policy change - no RDP possible (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=4034.0).

Eh, good luck !
Regards,
Peter

Ah ok....  :)

It is W7 SP1

Have to try it all again.

 :)