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Title: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 24, 2016, 11:42:02 am All, Procedure does not work for me. The instructions are quite vague and can be read a few different ways so I am not sure if I have followed what you intended us to do precisely (well I probably have not it seems),I was wondering ... Does the procedure work in the first place ? I'm asking because I don't see any feedback so I just wondered. If it sounds like sh*t you can say it too, of course. Peter Uhm ... I wasn't talking about that "procedure" in particular. Merely about the internal working of the new OS. And that that did not work out indeed for the PCs with 16GB of memory, is known by know. Btw I like to know these "vague instructions". So FYI, there is not any procedure as such to create the OS in the boot manu, unless you call this a procedure : 1. Copy the OS file to the root of the PC; 2. Add the OS to the boot menu (the 5 seconds work thing). but also : 3. Hook up the monitor to set up the RDC to that OS. Quote W10-14393 is not available in the boot menu at computer startup at all. I am afraid that you did not apply the above 2 steps, with the 3rd as a quite obvious step, although not easy not to think of in advance (but logical as can be). Quote Are you able to write out a set of steps 1,2,3 from a known starting point? It is the other way around. Since there wasn't a procedure except 1,2 and you did not apply that at all (I am quite confident :)), you must now tell what you did. Showing a screenshot of the Boot Menu of XXHighEnd is a good starting point (for me). Peter Hi Peter, I can spend a little time now trying to get this right. These are the vague instructions I refer to (I tried Method 2 - was in normal o/s 10586 at the time trying to sort out a recurring RD certificate issue): Quote Installation Method 1 : Easiest (for understanding) is to boot into your "service OS", which is the TRIAL denoted one. If this is still 10565 for you, then first set the system date to Sept. 2, 2015 (otherwise 10565 won't boot). If this is 14388 then all is fine (see RAM OS Disk - Upgrade 10565 TRIAL in case you want to upgrade the TRIAL to 14388). You will apply the file to drive C: in this case (see below as well). Method 2 : The even more easy way is staying where you are (BASE or RAM) but understanding what you are doing could be a bit more difficult. You will apply the file to drive D: in this case (see below as well). Of course - if you are booted from RAM at this time - you must not forget to put your RAM OS Disk in your PC and perform Stop-RightClick - "Boot into" so the disk gets mounted. The file you receive is zipped. Unzip it and put it in the root of your RAM-OS Disk (where the others are and notice above mentioned drive C: vs. D:). Save the zip somewhere, as it can serve as backup file (similar to the "Copy" versions you received in the RAM-OS Disk). However, notice that you can also throw it away because later you will be able and allowed to download it again. The below shows what you should achieve : So you see the two 14393.0 entries in there, and after you have put the OS file in the root of your RAM-OS Disk the "New" button allows for adding the OS to the Boot Menu. This is quite self explanatory, and otherwise there's ToolTip help in there. Notice that after the new boot entries have been created (with the name you give them), one will be named like the name you gave, and the other will have received the addition "Memory" (you see that in the screenshot above as well). Best is to change the descriptions (after pressing Refresh so the new entries show) similar to the ones you already have (with the nice "BASE" and "RAM" in there). Do not forget to click Apply after you changed the descriptions. I will try to get a screenshot of the boot menu from XXHE now. It will take a little while to set everything up but hopefully you will see that I am starting by then and we can get things fixed. Regards, Anthony Title: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 24, 2016, 11:56:59 am Here is the screenshot:
Title: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 24, 2016, 06:08:57 pm Hi Anthony,
you got me quite confused now. Quote W10-14393 is not available in the boot menu at computer startup at all. While you just showed it ? So did you now add it, or was your text incorrect ? If you just added it, then you will also be able to boot into it (this is besides the further issues for the other OSes, but we'll solve that later). Anyway, now I even the more don't know what happened ... Regards, Peter Edit : I think you meant : when looking at the normal monitor at bootup. Err ... the problem you can have with that to begin with, is that the boot menu now is too large to show all and it shows one or two things of a next page only. But see the tiny arrow next to the list of one or two). Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 24, 2016, 06:20:37 pm Anthony, you may do this for me :
1. Cause the OS-RAM Disk to be in there. 2. Boot XXighEnd into one of the OS versions whch work (will be a RAM I think). (#1 and #2 you may already have done "yesterday" so no need to do it again). 3. Empty the TemporaryData subfolder to your XX folder. 3. Start XXHighEnd. No need to switch on Logging. 4. Bring up the Boot Menu. 5. Grab the log files and post them (attach). N.b.: I think I will see the same as in here : Re: RAM OS disk won't boot into BASE version (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3690.msg39377#msg39377) with in the end also the same solution. But don't apply what you see in there yet because I first like to see how it looks like at this moment (log files). Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 24, 2016, 11:37:31 pm Hi Anthony, you got me quite confused now. Quote W10-14393 is not available in the boot menu at computer startup at all. While you just showed it ? So did you now add it, or was your text incorrect ? If you just added it, then you will also be able to boot into it (this is besides the further issues for the other OSes, but we'll solve that later). Anyway, now I even the more don't know what happened ... Regards, Peter Edit : I think you meant : when looking at the normal monitor at bootup. Err ... the problem you can have with that to begin with, is that the boot menu now is too large to show all and it shows one or two things of a next page only. But see the tiny arrow next to the list of one or two). Hi Peter, No, I have not changed anything from the initial problem. The problem was when I selected W10 14393 BASE in the XXHE Boot Menu and re-booted the AudioPC. The computer would boot into a different OS than the one selected, at that time W10586 which MS had deprecated, but I later found that if I selected a RAM version of an OS from XXHE Boot Menu that the computer would successfully reboot into those, including W10 14393 RAM. I will do the things that you suggested now and get the files to you. Cheers, Anthony Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 24, 2016, 11:47:02 pm Anthony, you may do this for me : 1. Cause the OS-RAM Disk to be in there. 2. Boot XXighEnd into one of the OS versions whch work (will be a RAM I think). (#1 and #2 you may already have done "yesterday" so no need to do it again). 3. Empty the TemporaryData subfolder to your XX folder. 3. Start XXHighEnd. No need to switch on Logging. 4. Bring up the Boot Menu. 5. Grab the log files and post them (attach). N.b.: I think I will see the same as in here : Re: RAM OS disk won't boot into BASE version (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3690.msg39377#msg39377) with in the end also the same solution. But don't apply what you see in there yet because I first like to see how it looks like at this moment (log files). Peter The log file is attached. Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 25, 2016, 10:31:22 am Hi Anthony,
Please empty that TemporaryData folder as before, start XXHighEnd, go into the Boot Menu and set 10586.0 BASE to boot. Click Apply. Now Click Refresh. In this stage (no later) again grab the log files. Ok ? Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 25, 2016, 11:01:31 am Ok. Done. The file is attached.
You will be able to tell from the log file but after refresh is clicked the radio button for the next OS boot returns to W10586 RAM rather than BASE. Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 25, 2016, 11:05:25 am I should add that selecting any of the other BASE os's then Apply then Refresh the result is the same...the radio butoon goes back to the previous RAM version that was selected. Actually selecting any of the other RAM versions the result is the same, the radio button just goes back to 10586 RAM.
Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 25, 2016, 11:50:03 am Yes, something like that indeed is the issue, and I don't know why.
Is it really so that in the normal Windows Boot Menu (the one you can see with a monitor attached), there's only one line visible ? Keep in mind my response about that and the tiny arrow next to that one (or two) lines. I have the idea that the full menu shows there, but use the arrow buttons to see it. If I am right on this, you can boot into one of them after all. Can you confirm this ? I also know how to solve it, but while this is very easy, it is complicated to explain from where I am, without the proper examples. Can you tell ... did you attempt to let Windows repair the situation ? I mean, this question might pop up when booting into such expired OS. I'm asking because I only wonder what can have caused this situation. What I see (log files) I have never seen either ... Anyway we will solved it (guarantee) - it is only that I am not there to organize it (same yesterday btw). Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 26, 2016, 04:35:15 am Is it really so that in the normal Windows Boot Menu (the one you can see with a monitor attached), there's only one line visible ? Keep in mind my response about that and the tiny arrow next to that one (or two) lines. I have the idea that the full menu shows there, but use the arrow buttons to see it. If I am right on this, you can boot into one of them after all. Can you confirm this ? Hi Peter, I took particular notice of the boot process and before the menu arrived that shows the RAM versions there was a flash of something else on the screen. So I booted into a RAM and slowed down the menu time and rebooted. Yes, the first menu that comes up (that flashes in this case when the timing was set at 1s) has all of the BASE OS's available, with one that has to be scrolled down to reach. I did boot from there into 14393 BASE and setup the network and MIN OS et cetera. But I have to manually select the OS at booting to get into any particular OS...it always wants to go into the expired 10565 RAM regardless of what is set in XXHE. Note that this is merely automatically selecting the first item in each boot menu...so "W8/10 RAM" first and then "W10565 RAM" from the second menu. Can you tell ... did you attempt to let Windows repair the situation ? I mean, this question might pop up when booting into such expired OS. I'm asking because I only wonder what can have caused this situation. What I see (log files) I have never seen either ... No, I have not let windows try to repair the expired os...I don't like to let Windows try to repair anything if I can help it and I have known what that blue screen meant since the W10074 pre RAM-OS days. Regards, Anthony Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 26, 2016, 09:48:11 am Great, Anthony. All is clear now.
What remains is how it happened. So what technically is amiss now is that no explicit default OS to boot from is registered in there. This always is so (as far as I know) and when that info is lacking, the first one of the list is taken. I did not look in my software yet, but I am pretty sure I am not explicitly applying a default (OS to boot from), because that would be a kind of redundant act. So what I do is replace the cirrent one with the newly (by you) denoted one. But if nothing is there for default in the first place, it will never happen any more. I will form a command line command for you, so you can repair it, and meanwhile I will make that explicit command or at least test whether all is still fine to this regard. Thanks, Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 26, 2016, 09:59:36 am Thanks Peter.
Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 26, 2016, 01:33:48 pm Anthony, I hope you are still there ...
I can't tell whether it makes a difference, but I found something else to be wrong in your install. Or maybe, not sure, but at least something which influences this ... In your Copy Settings To (in Settings) ... do you refer to the X: Drive ? or is it something else ? To me it looks like it can be something else and then that command to make the OS default will fail. Can you quickly test this (or debunk my assertion) ? Copy Settings To must refer to your XX folder, but on Drive X: ... Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 26, 2016, 02:25:53 pm In the OS that I am in at the moment, 10586 RAM, the Copy Settings To = "X:\XXHighEnd\2.xx\"
I am not sure about the other operating systems, but I do try to keep all the settings the same. Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 26, 2016, 02:39:10 pm Ok, here's the thing to try then. I hope I don't make mistakes :
Boot into any of the OSes BASE or RAM (thus not TRIAL) Open a command prompt "As Administrator". In there, type this : bcdedit /store d:\boot\bcd /default {16c73821-518e-11e5-a49f-dd1005622084} [enter] (copy - paste this line into the command prompt (that works) but without the [enter] of course (I put that on the next line for comfort)). ... and although this could help, I seriously doubt if doing it via XXHighEnd (lateron) will work. I think not, because something looks strange. So, after applying the above, if all is right you will boot into 10586.0 BASE. This is not what you want, so in the Boot Menu of XXHighEnd you're again going to appoint another (like 14393.0 RAM). Does that work ? If not, you know how to do it via the Monitor (for temporary recovery). I am curious ... Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 27, 2016, 12:01:31 am That works Peter. I booted into W10586 RAM, used your command line, rebooted and it went into 10586 BASE as you said it would.
In 10586 BASE I selected 14393 RAM in XXHE then Apply then Resfresh and the XXHE menu did not show the selected OS properly in the menu...but I rebooted anyway and it booted properly into 14393 RAM. Good. From 14393 RAM I selected 10586 RAM from the XXHE boot menu and again after refresh the XXHE menu did not show the selected item properly, but again I rebooted anyway and it booted into the right OS. So it seems at this stage that the only problem is that the XXHE boot menu is not refreshing properly even though things are booting properly now. Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 27, 2016, 07:50:29 am Hi Anthony,
Ok, all good; I don't even know whether it shows the current choice (right after a change) properly/decently. It may also depend on the combination (from - to). If you lateron might think of what could have been gone odd at your first attempt (around the copying of 14393.0), don't hesitate ... Regards, Peter Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: acg on August 27, 2016, 10:23:50 am When you change the OS and then click Refresh, the incorrect, or sometimes no OS is shown as selected, but when I reboot it boots into the correct OS and the Boot Into menu shows the proper OS selcted i.e. the one that was just booted into.
It's a minor issue. Not sure if you know about it or if it is unique to me. Thanks for getting things working for me. Title: Re: Adding 14393.0 to the menu failed Post by: PeterSt on August 30, 2016, 10:40:23 am Quote When you change the OS and then click Refresh, the incorrect, or sometimes no OS is shown as selected Anthony, I just checked it, and indeed this is so; changing the boot and click Refresh reflects a wrong situation (and indeed it may depend where you're in at the moment). A Refresh for changed descriptions should always work. Peter |