XXHighEnd

Hi Peter,

I would like to try the 1.03 driver with the NOS1a and Windows 8 from the os-ram drive.

I have "hiccups" with Win 8, no matter how I use the settings.

When I use XXHE v. 2.04, with driver 1.03 under my own Win 8 (plain vanilla) on my previous OS drive, there are no hiccups. I apply the same settings with Win 8 from the os-ram drive, but it does those hiccups. The differences I can see is the driver version and the XXHE version...

I see that there is a driver (1.03) with the ".tss" extension. How can I activate it (and reverse it if required) ?
Thinking of it, could I also install XXHE 2.04 on the os-ram drive ? I would only do this for Win 8...

Regards,

Alain

Hi Alain,

There is no 1.03 driver in your XX folder; you'll have it yourself by the grace of the Word document you received from me, and the link to the driver in there.

The .tss file is in .tst fashion the indication to the XXHighEnd program that you are using the 1.03 Driver and now XXHighEnd arranges for things which with the 1.04 driver is arranged for by the diver itself.
So when 1.04 is used, have the .tss in there. When 1.03 is used, make that .tst.

Otherwise what I noticed myself :

In the RAM OS version of W8 there's strange things which fee like bugs and which I don't recognize as normal. So be careful it's not that particular install (and then what to do about it).

Investigate the Buffer Time in the Driver. It should not default to 16ms but here and there it happened anyway (to me, but can be in that OS install as well); it's the first reason for hiccups.

Btw, how frequent (time interval) are they ?

Peter

Peter,

You may recall that we discussed about Windows 8 and the ram-os drive a few months ago:

http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3626.0

As for your question, I can't tell what time interval happens between the errors (hiccups) because I heard them for the first time yesterday evening and did not have the reflex of noting the frequency.

When I tried again this morning (without doing anything), it seemed to be different. The driver (v1.04) control panel  was showing errors at the start of the song (redbook) but played the rest well.

I changed the driver from 1.04 to 1.03, renamed the driver from .tss to .tst as required. The behavior was almost the same. There were errors.

I checked the buffer and it was at 4ms. Changing it to 8ms stopped these errors, in BASE OS and in RAM OS too.

I then reinstalled the driver v 1.04 and renamed the .tst to .tss for XXHE. All is good now.

It seems that the buffer should at least be at 8ms to prevent these errors, but I am aware that my tests are not exhaustive.

I am holding to Windows 8 because the bass sounds better to my ears than the one exhibited by Windows 10. This is not conclusive, as there are many aspects that may not be to everybody's tastes. My sensitivity is limited and there are aspects I cannot hear easily (not to say that there are some toward which I don't hear any difference)...

8ms and higher ? Could this be a solution ?

Regards,

Alain
PS: Peter, if you can remove the "driver vs driver" in the title ? It should be named "Win 8, ram-os drive and driver buffer (from the driver control panel)" maybe.

Alain,

If you try to get rid of the errors at the start of playback ... you can do that of course, but I myself regard this quite unimportant. It may avoid a tick at the start of playback though.

Regards,
Peter


PS: Changed the name of the topic. :)

Peter,

These were not "ticks" because I have heard them too, even with Windows 10.

No, what I am talking about is different. It is the "absence of" something, nothing to do with a "tick".

And it has been specific to Windows 8 with the ram-os drive, not with my Windows 8 OS drive that I still keep.

I have tried the parameters you use with the Mach II, without, with more conservative adjustments - nothing worked. The common denominator was that once in RAM, errors were more prominent.

It is only as soon as I changed the buffer in the driver control panel from 4 to 8ms that the errors stopped.

Alain

Alain, you didn't understand me, or I did not understand you.

Those errors you *see* (!) are from the start of the track and they imply that one-time tick. Leave those be - that is all what I am saying ...

Peter

I think we passed aside each other :)

I heard ticks, but I also heard those hiccups. I am ok with the ticks and I understand.

My quest was about trying to make Windows 8 work better under the ram-os drive.

I have to say that I really have a hard time saying which is better between Win 8 and Win 10. It will take time for me to really draw my conclusions...

Thanks :)

Alain

No use mentioning them if you don't give a clue about the frequency etc. of them.

Anyway I am going to swim in some beer now. :grazy:

Don't forget your life jacket :)