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Title: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 09, 2016, 06:26:08 pm
Hi Peter,

Iīm trying to install Tidal but although I read the Tutorials I canīt find the previous steps in case I need to install XXHighEnd in the Music Server Pc. I remember reading something before about that it is necessary to buy a new license (to be refunded) but I canīt find it and how to proceed later once XXHE is installed to login to Tidal.

Regards,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: PeterSt on April 10, 2016, 08:40:43 am
Hi Juan,

I most probably for sure won't understand the question, but nothing is different from doing that with your normal (Audio) PC.

All it requires is (indeed) an Activated XXHighEnd (to be refunded, assumed you already have a license for your household).

Can't be difficult !
Regards,
Peter


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: PeterSt on April 10, 2016, 09:18:38 am
And Juan, if that does not answer your question (which seems doubtful - haha), don't hesitate to ask more. But please be more specific, then.

Thanks,
Peter


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: acg on April 10, 2016, 10:16:50 am
Hi Peter,

Iīm trying to install Tidal but although I read the Tutorials I canīt find the previous steps in case I need to install XXHighEnd in the Music Server Pc. I remember reading something before about that it is necessary to buy a new license (to be refunded) but I canīt find it and how to proceed later once XXHE is installed to login to Tidal.

Regards,
Juan

Juan,

If you go into "Getting Started and Further Tutorials" and have a look down near the bottom at "Streaming Services" I believe that you will find the information that you seek.

So you just instal XXHE on your Music Server computer as normal, get it activated, but don't necessarily set it up to play music if you don't want to.  Then you login into Tidal as Peter describes in one of those tutorials and it should all work as intended.  Be careful to set the locations of the Tidal Temp and Streaming folders in XXHE setting of both the Music Server and AudioPC so that they are both looking at the same directories.

Since I finally got fast internet a week ago I am using Tidal daily and it is really a much loved part of XXHE for me now.  Before when the internet was flakey....not so much fun...but that is the internet not XXHE.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Anthony


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 10, 2016, 02:51:32 pm
Peter, yes I have a license but I wasn't sure if I need to buy another one.
Thanks

Hi Peter,

Iīm trying to install Tidal but although I read the Tutorials I canīt find the previous steps in case I need to install XXHighEnd in the Music Server Pc. I remember reading something before about that it is necessary to buy a new license (to be refunded) but I canīt find it and how to proceed later once XXHE is installed to login to Tidal.

Regards,
Juan

So you just instal XXHE on your Music Server computer as normal, get it activated, but don't necessarily set it up to play music if you don't want to.  Then you login into Tidal as Peter describes in one of those tutorials and it should all work as intended.  Be careful to set the locations of the Tidal Temp and Streaming folders in XXHE setting of both the Music Server and AudioPC so that they are both looking at the same directories.

Since I finally got fast internet a week ago I am using Tidal daily and it is really a much loved part of XXHE for me now.  Before when the internet was flakey....not so much fun...but that is the internet not XXHE.


Hi Anthony, that's what I needed to know because in the tutorials I couldn't find that part clearly explained.

Is it truly so important to have a really fast Internet? I understood that in some way it's possible to store the downloaded files to be played in a later moment.

Thank you
Juan



Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: Arjan on April 10, 2016, 07:19:34 pm
Hi Juan,
It is just a lot of data..... Therefore fast internet is nice to have.
But you are right, first download and then play.

I love the Tidal option, it expand your cd collection.

Regards, Arjan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 10, 2016, 07:38:26 pm
Whatīs the XXHE version I have to install in the Music Server Pc to use Tidal?: XXHighEnd-204.rar, XXHighEnd-204c-x.rar...

Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: AlainGr on April 10, 2016, 08:46:14 pm
Hi Juan,

Tidal support started with version 2.03, so the latest (v 2.04) will be fine :)

Something was corrected after v 2.04 (it is called v 2.04c), so you should download and extract v 2.04 first, then download and extract v 2.04c over it. The version 2.04c has only the files that had to be changed over v 2.04...

Regards,

Alain


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: acg on April 10, 2016, 11:19:25 pm
Is it truly so important to have a really fast Internet? I understood that in some way it's possible to store the downloaded files to be played in a later moment.

Thank you
Juan



I had internet that frequently dropped out...right out...and Tidal was dropping songs as a result. 

Regarding which version of XXHE, if you use RAM-OS you can use 2.05 by following the instructions Peter gives here (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3540.0).

Cheers,

Anthony


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 11, 2016, 08:50:00 am
Thanks Alain and Anthony, I have a few questions.
In my Music Server Pc l'm not using Ram disk, yes in my Audio Pc. I'm trying to install XXHE in the Music Server Pc disconnected from the Audio Pc and connecting directly the Music Server Pc to the NOS1. Am I doing it correctly this way? When I have to register  with Tidal in XXHE?, I have not Activated yet XXHE and I can't see the window asking to register with Tidal. What about the updates in the W10 I have in the Music Server Pc? as I have it connected to Internet  it is updated and it was difficult to install XXHE, not sure though if it has something to do with it.

Regards,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: acg on April 11, 2016, 10:45:10 am
Thanks Alain and Anthony, I have a few questions.
In my Music Server Pc l'm not using Ram disk, yes in my Audio Pc. I'm trying to install XXHE in the Music Server Pc disconnected from the Audio Pc and connecting directly the Music Server Pc to the NOS1. Am I doing it correctly this way? When I have to register  with Tidal in XXHE?, I have not Activated yet XXHE and I can't see the window asking to register with Tidal. What about the updates in the W10 I have in the Music Server Pc? as I have it connected to Internet  it is updated and it was difficult to install XXHE, not sure though if it has something to do with it.

Regards,
Juan

Juan,

The Music Server never has to be connected to the NOS1...only the AudioPC is connected when you want to play music.  For best results the Music Server should have a direct ethernet connection to the AudioPC so the chain looks as follows...

Music Server >> ethernet cable >> AudioPC >> Clairixa >> Intona >> Clairixa >> NOS1a.

If you plan to run everything from a tablet such as an iPad then the Music Server will need to be connected to your network which means that you will probably need a second ethernet port on your Music Server so the AudioPC is kept separate from the rest of the network.

Just to be clear, the Music Server does not need to have XXHE configured to play music or even connect to a dac.  We just want to run Remote Desktop and XXHE (for Tidal only), so W10 updates won't matter at all to SQ or anything else.

From where you are, I would activate XXHE (but not worry about setting up a dac driver or anything like that), make sure you have a direct ethernet connection between the two PC's, and then bother with the Tidal stuff last of all.  The network stuff may be a little tricky to get setup properly.

Cheers,

Anthony


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 11, 2016, 12:17:36 pm
Thanks Alain and Anthony, I have a few questions.
In my Music Server Pc l'm not using Ram disk, yes in my Audio Pc. I'm trying to install XXHE in the Music Server Pc disconnected from the Audio Pc and connecting directly the Music Server Pc to the NOS1. Am I doing it correctly this way? When I have to register  with Tidal in XXHE?, I have not Activated yet XXHE and I can't see the window asking to register with Tidal. What about the updates in the W10 I have in the Music Server Pc? as I have it connected to Internet  it is updated and it was difficult to install XXHE, not sure though if it has something to do with it.

Regards,
Juan

Juan,

The Music Server never has to be connected to the NOS1...only the AudioPC is connected when you want to play music.  For best results the Music Server should have a direct ethernet connection to the AudioPC so the chain looks as follows...

Music Server >> ethernet cable >> AudioPC >> Clairixa >> Intona >> Clairixa >> NOS1a.



Yes Anthony thatīs how I have it (see my signature).


Just to be clear, the Music Server does not need to have XXHE configured to play music or even connect to a dac.  We just want to run Remote Desktop and XXHE (for Tidal only), so W10 updates won't matter at all to SQ or anything else.

From where you are, I would activate XXHE (but not worry about setting up a dac driver or anything like that), make sure you have a direct ethernet connection between the two PC's, and then bother with the Tidal stuff last of all.  The network stuff may be a little tricky to get setup properly.

Cheers,

Anthony

Thanks Anthony, I understood that I had to configure also XXHE in the Music Server Pc. Iīm going to try it as you say.

Regards,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 12, 2016, 01:00:17 pm
Hi Peter, I find it impossible to activate XXHE (v.2.05 or v2.04) in my Music Server PC. I have carefully followed the instructions of the email I received, I have configured Internet Explorer (no Edge) as the default browser, I have disabled Windows Defender. I've done everything I usually do to activate XXHE but the top bar does not turn red, although the Processor Core Scheme Appointment is Activated.
That's the reason why I can't log in Tidal. I guess that Iīm doing something wrong but what? My Music Server PC has W10 Pro 64bit and 8Gb of memory.


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: nik.d on April 12, 2016, 01:11:00 pm
Hi Juan, you need to play some music from HDD before Tidal streaming :)

"...
Load one or two tracks in the Playlist Area and play one in Attended Mode for a short while;
Watch the blue 'XXHighEnd' in the title bar of the XX user interface;
Quit XXHighEnd and Restart XXHighEnd;
Again start Playback.
Once more quit XXHighEnd and Restart XXHighEnd;
The title bar now shows 'XXHighEnd' in red when Activation succeeded.
..."


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 12, 2016, 01:19:13 pm
Hi Juan, you need to play some music from HDD before Tidal streaming :)

"...
Load one or two tracks in the Playlist Area and play one in Attended Mode for a short while;
Watch the blue 'XXHighEnd' in the title bar of the XX user interface;
Quit XXHighEnd and Restart XXHighEnd;
Again start Playback.
Once more quit XXHighEnd and Restart XXHighEnd;
The title bar now shows 'XXHighEnd' in red when Activation succeeded.
..."

Thanks, thatīs what the email says and what I did a dozen of times without results. Iīll try to install XXHE from scratch again.

Regards,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: PeterSt on April 12, 2016, 05:47:13 pm
Hi Juan,

Quote
(v.2.05 or v2.04)

What about having a nice bet that you thought to get 2.05 going, which I wouldn't even be able to myself. The other day I posted about this (rather in between the lines, somewhere - I think in response to something of Anthony), with my advice to not even attempt it. I can't really claim to be 100% sure (so I could lose that bet) but *if* you started out with copying the existing 2.05 from elsewhere, then I guarantee you that it won't work (forever !) unless you really know what to do. I forgot what I told Anthony, because / and at this moment I wouldn't even know how to myself.

Remedy :
Scratch all from XXHighEnd (that is the XX folder(s) and the XXData folder), download 2.04 (there is no newer) and obtain a code again. That will work ...

N.b.: If it doesn't work the first time (following the whole sequence) then you can just as well forget it (something must have gone wrong and I don't really mean in the program ;)). Personally I would try one time more, but after that I'd know enough; start all over.

Last thing : If you didn't really do strange things, then you can reset the install by means of rightclick on the Save As button in Settings (close to the top in there). Don't use that now because usually when one tried "a day" quite many strange things will have been applied. Thus for now : reinstall XXHighEnd (never the OS).

Best regards and good luck now !
Peter


PS: It is correct that you can't login to Tidal when XXHighEnd is not activated.


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 12, 2016, 07:04:13 pm
Thank you Peter, it took me two days playing around with 2.05. I think that I read a post where someone was working fine with 2.05 and I thought that it was the way to go. Anyway, now I could Activate XXHE v.2.04 and Tidal and is time to learn how to work with it. I have rarely been in such a bad mood regarding XXHE. Well, I hope it worth using Tidal.

Kind regards,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: PeterSt on April 12, 2016, 07:08:34 pm
Juan, very very good !

Now that you have confidence, maybe Anthony likes to explain how he got 2.05 over from the RAM OS Disk (I am pretty sure he did that and thus managed).
And if he doesn't like, then it should be okay just the same. The only real difference regarding Tidal is better search facilities (less bugs would also be a description); possibly you are not bothered by that (yet).

Now have some fun !
Best regards,
Peter


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: acg on April 12, 2016, 10:48:29 pm
Juan, very very good !

Now that you have confidence, maybe Anthony likes to explain how he got 2.05 over from the RAM OS Disk (I am pretty sure he did that and thus managed).

I did link Juan to your instructions to do so earlier in the this thread.  Here they are...

Quote
Hi Anthony,

2.05 is not for the public. It is on your RAM-OS disk though ...

What you can do is zip the XX folder (only that is fine, but include its sub folders) from any of the OSes (take the one you have been using), and move that to your other PC like a normal "install". It will require activation as usual.
BUT to mimic the normal install, start XXHighEnd in that other PC and go to settings and the Save As button, close to the top. RIGHTclick that to reset all.
If you don't do that, the install will not be normal and we will be spending a dozen of posts to make it normal. I myself can't do it either (I try some times Happy).

Regards,
Peter

That is exactly what I did to get 2.05 working and it worked first time!

Cheers,

Anthony


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 13, 2016, 11:07:57 am
Juan, very very good !

Now that you have confidence, maybe Anthony likes to explain how he got 2.05 over from the RAM OS Disk (I am pretty sure he did that and thus managed).

I did link Juan to your instructions to do so earlier in the this thread.  Here they are...

Quote
Hi Anthony,

2.05 is not for the public. It is on your RAM-OS disk though ...

What you can do is zip the XX folder (only that is fine, but include its sub folders) from any of the OSes (take the one you have been using), and move that to your other PC like a normal "install". It will require activation as usual.
BUT to mimic the normal install, start XXHighEnd in that other PC and go to settings and the Save As button, close to the top. RIGHTclick that to reset all.
If you don't do that, the install will not be normal and we will be spending a dozen of posts to make it normal. I myself can't do it either (I try some times Happy).

Regards,
Peter

That is exactly what I did to get 2.05 working and it worked first time!

Cheers,

Anthony

Anthony Yes you are right, I got that link to Peter words but I made some mistakes. I used the same Activation code for 2.04 and v. 2.05 and/or I tried it too many times without success.

Now that I have v. 2.04 Activated (since the first time I tried it with a new code) I wonder if I could maintain it and try the v. 2.05 with that code or if Iīd need a new code and follow again Peter instructions (from scratch, erasing XXData folder, etc.). Am I going to repeat the same errors?

Once I get v. 2.05 I could forget about v. 2.04 but I'm afraid to loose it before I get v. 2.05.


Kind regards,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: PeterSt on April 13, 2016, 11:11:20 am
I would leave it as it is, for the moment ...


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: juanpmar on April 13, 2016, 11:17:28 am
I would leave it as it is, for the moment ...

Yes, yes, better I stay quiet  :(

Thanks,
Juan


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: manisandher on April 28, 2016, 05:10:51 pm
Hi guys, I'm trying to install and activate XX on my music server. The problem I have is that I don't have a sound device in the server - nothing on the mobo and nothing plugged directly in. With other players I can use the remote connection sound device (e.g. when I connect to the music server from my office PC, I can stream music from the music to the office PC sound device with Roon, or whatever - but not with XX.)

So, how can I activate without a sound device?

Thinking about it, it would have taken me about as long to stick my Dragonfly into the server and just play a track than it has to write this post. I'm going to do that right now...

Mani.


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: manisandher on April 28, 2016, 05:21:52 pm
No Tidal login window appears. How can I get to this?

Mani


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: PeterSt on April 28, 2016, 06:50:56 pm
Mani, Search on Tidal ...

Possibly you are not the only one who "forgets" to do this ?
Start with RightClick on the Search button ...

Peter


Title: Re: How to install Tidal in the Music Server Pc
Post by: manisandher on April 28, 2016, 09:48:01 pm
Thanks Peter. I just assumed there would be Tidal login somewhere close to the XX activation area. Anyway all sorted now.

Mani.