XXHighEnd

http://cybwiz.blogspot.de/2013/07/why-ethernet-streaming-sound-better.html

This is correct hence I agree.
Not that I can see the relation to anything here ?
Unless of course you mean that we shouldn't use USB connected DACs. And, well, now this is sooo much apples and oranges that any discussion is moot.

Peter

Eh?

The first NOS1 had a sound card connection, than a sudden change to USB .................. .

Joachim

Hi Joachim,

This is the xth time that you come up with a subject without further text or justification from yourself. Next you seem not to understand your own subject ? At least that is how it comes to me.

I think you operate from some theories which are not (ever) yours, but maybe wonder whether they could be true, and next you pose the subject/article.

In this case I can only translate your "quest" into something like :

So ... now Joachim wonders whether his NOS1 sounds bad ?

And I really don't know what to do with such things.
But I feel it is a bit crazy.

In the same realm was your post from a few months ago which sort of begged (me) to first test drive something like Windows 8 before putting it out. I think this is highly inconsistent with my very own first post about it where I rather explicitly said that Windows 8 was "not it".
This is just an example of quite some more posts from you of which I really don't know what to do with them. They come across as blaming, while I don't see what I am blamed for.

Now you suggest that I am to blame for a stupid DAC which uses USB. This, while nothing is wrong with it in the first place. So, start such a post with telling by your own judgement what is wrong with it or how it sounds wrong, and I am all ears. But more importantly : then I understand.
Now I understand nothing.

I hope this helps for the future !
Kind regards,
Peter

Hi Peter,

It is all the time the same problem with electricians and mechanics, they don’t understand each other most of the time.
To make it clear, the SQ with the combination NOS1, W8 and XXH 0.9z-9b is the best I heard ever.

You made changes with the software (programming of a new audio machine) to improve the SQ, and there are also chances on the hardware side to improve ………. .

The article is writing about …… .

-Quote –
The Ethernet card has been installed and yes it is better than USB!
More control over sound, more organic, much more detailed sound. Also more analog sounding. Very happy to be rid of this unlimited windows tweaking."
-Unquote-

So the question is, why not test an Ethernet route with the NOS1 and hear the result.

Kind regards

Joachim

Hi,

I can't see a good reason why (wired) Ethernet would make a positive difference to USB.

1) it is still an electrical connection transporting both data and noise

All the noise will still be generated:

2) the data has to be encrypted/decrypted by the ETN chips for suitable transport
3) you need an OS to tranform a music file into commands to the ETN card/chip
4) you need a PC to do nr 3)

It will likely be different from the USB noise.

regards, Coen

Joachim,

Now we are talking !

So you see, it is all a matter of understanding.

Ok, I will try to respond, but this is not easy;

First of all and again, you (and that page you linked to) are correct. Still, read Coen's post and see that there is much more to it.

Then, only half of Coen's remarks can go to the trashbin because he does not know what I am working on. You don't either. The latter makes "you" more right than you thought at first. However :

The whole idea of this can be twisted into a complete different angle, if you'd only know what I am working on.
Too bad you don't.

Next the literal idea won't work out (at all) in my view because of the so many apples and oranges. Now Coen is half right. ;)

The conclusion of that page you linked to also takes only half of it all into account (or less) with the notice that it is a commercial page. So no value there.

It still would be correct that the overhead of USB is enormous relative to Ethernet. However, this assumes a normal situation while we in XXHighEnd don't use that normal situation. Still to some agree it is true.
but
Ethernet implies even more "activity" just BECAUSE the latency is lower (think about a higher polling speed, never mind no data comes through).

In the same realm you can see USB3 as worse than USB2, again because of the higher possible speed. So, use USB2.
Thus drop your NOS1 USB3 connection.
(this sounds sarcastic, but you may recall my wondering why USB3 would sound better, and that acctually it should be the other way around - still I use it myself like I think everybody and ... yes, you will recall the SSD story - same story, but takes a year or two to really find out).

While I said NOTHING, now you should be confused enough to at least see that the comparison is not so easy.

Let me add one more thing, just because you sense all right without maybe telling everything :
There is one solution only which is the very best, and this is totally nothing connected to the PC. NO-THING. It can be done.
But can you guess what it *really* needs ? You said it yourself. That old NOS1 ...
And did that sound better ? I'm sure you owned one yourself.

Ok, all I can tell for the hopefully better is that I try to take into account all these apples and oranges. I really do.

Regards and thanks for sparring,
Peter

I've been seeing hints about this for some months now, from which I guess:

- You have been working on it for at least months, likely longer.

- We will see it when it's (nearly, except for user testing) ready.

Not even mains power??!! :wacko:

That would be something!! : :grin:

Regards, Coen