XXHighEnd

Hi Peter,

I have a problem when attempting to minimize the OS. There is no display at all.

This gave me the occasion to use F4 at boot time and see what Windows allows to do. Quite interesting :) I was able to recover from the restore point that XXHE creates :)

So I can't minimize, otherwise I don't have a screen...

Regards,

Alain
P.S.: Lots of things to look for with those new controls :)

Alain, thanks for posting this. But seriously ... I only now realize that I never tested Minimized OS. And (stupidly enough) why ? because I needed to Activate that install and postponed that. I postponed it until I just forgot about it ...

I hope you will forgive me when I look at this later. But it is the first thing I will do.

Regards,
Peter


PS: I guess that happens when I can't test it anyway for SQ because the NOS1 driver isn't ready for that. Well, it is, but on W8 Consumer Preview - somehow (looks like that Bluetooth issue for which I, btw, do have a solution by now (later about that, I wanted to have this out first)).

Peter,

The main reason is to help (you and others). 9z-7-5 is already so fine that I wonder how it could get better. And since the beginning of this wonderful adventure, it has always been surprise after surprise (for the better).

From Star Trek "To boldly go where no one has gone before" applies so well to you :)

So all is to say "Thanks for all you have done and continue to do". And please don't stop !

Kind regards,

Alain

Well, it seems that here I need your help as well Alain.

I have been preparing a Restore Point so I could do the same as you, but ... HOW ?

Once I end up in this "no screen" situation there's nothing much to do but a reboot, right ? But Restoring to that Restore Point will work. Now, for the life of me I don't see where to do that. F4 ? non-existent. Must we tweak something for that ?

I tried Safe Mode, but the option for reverting to a Restore Point can not be found. Well, not by me. :swoon:.  We can make new though in there, but whatfore.

So how can I go about with this ?

Thanks again ...
Peter

Okay, that would be Safe Mode with Command Prompt and rstrui.exe. Yea, well, nice ...
But my Restore Point was not there. Also not in the normal Boot. The reserved space I just had set to 10% now was at 0%.

Nice.
Worse than W7 ?

But with you this worked ?

Funny, when I checked for new posts, I did not see this one... Well.

All was automatic. When I pressed "Minimize OS", all is as explained in the relase notes. Then the window that aknowledge about the reboot into Minimize OS.

The reboot is OK, but then no display once I guess I am in Windows...

I pressed the reset button of the PC, then keep pressing F4 to enter in Windows 8, but this time it displays some choices that I would have to go through again. I donMT think I chose "Safe Mode" at first... At some point I selected "Advanced " something, then "Restore point" (my OS is in French, so I am "assuming" titles), then if offered me the one from XXHIGHEND Normal OS (it was my only restore point) and asked me with what userid I shoud ask for this (Alain or Administrateur), then password (I had to switch the language, as "French" meant is French from France, so AZERTY instead of QWERTY...), so finally the restoration occured and the PC rebooted...

When I accessed XXHE, I was told that the Minimize OS did not correspond and the status color was back in blue. Cool :)

You save me from restoring another time with Acronis :)

Alain 

It will be merely that you saved a lot of others this reinstall. That could include me. :) :)

But here is your route to loose the Restore Point. Don't ask me how I now or remembered what I did, but as we all know I am crazy. This is the exact sequence (more combinations may exist) :

1. Confirm that you have sufficient space under the Configure button. Mine was at 7% - I set it to 10% (as per my own advice).

2. Create the Restore Point Manually (would be the same as when XXHighEnd does it for you).

3. Reboot.

4. Have a dual boot, in my case with W7 Pro (the W8 is Enterprise). Since my W7 is default, I used F8 (because I didn't see I had to select W8 first).

5. Nothing strange is visible if you don't know the boot options (F8) screen for W8, so you choose Safe Mode (no network or command prompt).

6. Now you see it's W7. So, reboot without logging in (this may do tricks).

7. Reboot into W8 again. Into Safe Mode or Normal doesn't matter (it went wrong in both situations).

8. Look for your Restore Point. It's gone. And reserved space is at 0%. The Reserve Space is still there though.

Why the heck is it so difficult to have something which to me seems easy - and which is SO important - WRONG ??

Anyway, I hope this helps someone, sometime.

Peter


PS: On the job I tried various kind of reboots into "always W8". Then the Restore Point stays.

Here is the more easy way to get rid of your Restore Point :

Reboot into normal W7 (unrelated I think : look whether your Restore Points are still there for that -> are in my case), and reboot back into normal W8.
Gone.
This time the reserved space is at 0% as well.

If you only know that this has been an ever known (!) problem in W7 (which was related to the reserved space being too low), how can it be worse now then ?

One way to show the sequence I did would be to do it again (up to the point of restoration) and take pictures of the screen... ?

Sometimes pictures tells a lot more than any written post...

Well, I don't know why you ask ? Do I need that ?
ehm

Coincidentally YES. So, checked the Restore Point more than installing the OS three times would take, but my way of booting into safe mode with command prompt ... the screen stays as black as the normal boot (which should be MinOS now). :cry: :cry:

So I came back here to ask you where to exactly press that F4 or Advanced or whatever it is I don't see. Or otherwise it's going to be a reinstall. But then what ? Have a next hunch for a change in XXHE and end up with another reinstall ? and again ?
So without this working restore procedure I'm really STUCK.

Ehm, yes pllllease ?

FOUND IT !

It starts at the option #10 after F8. Then via-via a Restore Point can be chosen. But ... It was GONE again. Grrr ...
This probably happened because at trying out options I ended up in some W7 recovery. Didn't do much, but still it would have been the (half-)boot into that other OS.

Now I am in the function "Reset PC" and have to insert my W8 install CD. Okay, let's see what that brings ...

Sorry for the horrible latency in my answers...

In fact, yes it should be F8 to access this special menu in W8, but for whatever reason, I can't access it anymore. I maintained F8 throughout the POST sequence, I pressed it like a strobe would, I swore while attempting for the 10th time... I can't access it !!!

:(

I found this link that has the pictures required...
http://www.howtogeek.com/107511/how-to-boot-into-safe-mode-on-windows-8-the-easy-way/

And it is said
"The trick is to hold the Shift button and mash the F8 key, this will sometimes boot you into the new advanced “recovery mode”,  where you can choose to see advanced repair options."

Sometimes eh... It worked yesterday when I had a problem, but I keep on pressing even SHIFT-F8 as they suggest and still can't access it...

Could it be that it works only when there is a problem ???

Haha. If you Google for it, focus on how to use that F8 without dual boot. I recall there is something with it.

In the mean time I'm up and running again and it worked out better than I hoped for. Only a .net part has vanished, but I now recall that I tweaked something for that (and which should be part of the XXHighEnd procedure !! <- for offline PCs like this one here) but I forgot what. But that will be okay I guess.

In the mean time this "Refresh your PC" took longer than a normal W8 install, but most of what I did after that seems to be there.

Now I really must get that Restore Point stuff working reliably ...

Regarding those pictures and for others :
With a normal F8 procedure as it is available with a dual boot, you will see a list of 9 options (to be chosen with FKeys 1-9) and an F10 option for "more options". Chosing F10 and the (today) only option in there, will bring you in the screens of those pictures. The "System Restore" is the one you will have used and which I liked to use - but no Restore Point was there for me. The "Refresh your PC" in the screen above that with the System Restore option, is what I used now.

Well...

As of now, I have not found anything easy to allow Safe Mode in Windows 8.

This link could work but it is a little complicated:

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-enable-windows-8-safe-mode/

Grrrrrrr ;)

Create a new partition and dunk another OS in there. Could be your W7. But otherwise another dummy W8. That will give you the dual boot option automatically and that always carries an F8.

But when you're into adventures :
Look at the BCDEdit commands, and look for something like copy. You will be able to create that dummy boot menu, one of the options being empty. The sheer fact that the menu is there (you can choose something) will bring the F8. I *think* it is quite harmless when you create a dummy entry like that, but maybe it's a good idea to change the Guids of the (copied) dummy one (just change one character).

But you won't dare to do this ...
(but have Acronis)

Peter

Ah, I already described that here : Windows 8 Tutorials - Install .Net 3.5 (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2348.msg23844#msg23844).

Ha ha ! Thanks ! I will look into this :)

For those who want to have their Restore Points retained, look here :

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/127417-system-restore-points-stop-xp-dual-boot-delete.html

Notice that what's named XP in there is to be named W7 and what's Vista is to be W8 (or whatever two OS versions are in order). Thus, do NOT apply the import of the Registry part; instead apply the changes manually.

Important : When you do not see the drive of that other OS in your Explorer, it means that it got no drive letter assigned. Then do that first with the Virtual Disk Manager. Once that has been done, you can follow the tutorial in the given link.

After it has been applied, your other OS disk/partition will still show in Explorer, but when you click it it will say "Device not available" (or something like that). Of course it implies that you won't be able to access that other OS disk/partition from the one which is active - but that's the price to pay for your Restore Points not disappearing.

Additionally to what's told in the link, I applied the both vise versa. So, I also excluded the W7 partition in the W8 Registry. This activity will delete the Restore Points you had in W7 (which for me stayed all the time) for one time, but after all is set they will stay.
... As how it now looks ... :swoon:

Hope this helps someone.

Peter

Hi Peter,

I am becoming too lazy (you are right about "dare") to have my music PC installed with 2 OS... I prefer to either restore one or the other if you ask me to test something :)

The other thing is that I actually have only a SSD for the OS (120GB), not much, so having a dual boot would eat too much space for the memory cell management...

OTOH I have another SSD that could do the job, being in a hard drive case. I could restore W7 on it to do some tests instead. Haven't tried yet, but I will if necessary.

For the moment I keep 9z-7-5 with W8, though I have not access to the many additions from 9z-8a, but even if I can't minimize the OS, the music is already so good, I can wait :)

So I can say that my Christmas gift was already unpacked many month ago :)

Thanks :)

Alain
P.S.: Don't hesitate to ask me if you want me to do other tests with either W8 or W7 ok ?