XXHighEnd

Peter,
I cannot go into Minimized Mode for 09-z7-3.
Activation (using the same code as 09-z7-2) seems successful (Red borders).
Or do you think I need a new Activation Code to go into Minimized Mode?

For the first time I perceived PA. First impression is that it has less energy focus on bass. And very clean mids/highs. I am aware that it will take me some time to get used to the new sound . And I can say more when I play Minimized (as I always do) after this problem here has been resolved.

Cheers,
Eric

I can only go 1 time in minimise mode. The 2e attempt does not work anymore.

I alway's use restore point and go back before minimise mode.

Than put in new XX folder and made the new settings and than again minimise.

 :)

Same with me, 09-z7-3 does not minimize OS.

Before installing z7-3 started z7-2 (w/ OS minimized) and restored to original/standard WinOS.
Installed 09-z7-3, tried all & registered w/ code for z7-2. All passed OK.
Tried Unattended, all fine.
Went to minimize OS and system does not minimize.

Tried returning system into normal state (one more reboot) and this time started z7-2 -order to try minimize OS.
No go. All services active, wasapi, aero theme etc...

 :scratching:

Hmm ...

Well, at least I can tell that Normal Mode + Phase Alignment sounds awful to me. But okay, that's only :teasing:.

But I don't recognize any of this. Of course you should go first to Normal Mode before starting the (a) new version (I hope that is in the Release Notes somewhere).

Eric, please do NOT obtain a new Activation Code. That is, I rather sort out what is happening. But I realize you are a bit on your own for this. So, if you have that Restore Point (you should), can you go back to that, and start all over with this 0.9-z7-3 ? I don't see why it shouldn't work.

And one time (Gerard) ? that tells me nothing either. What do you mean ? one time works, and back to Normal doesn't work anymore ? or back works but then indeed a next attempt for Minimized not ??

Also for Nik ... Totally nothing has changed related to 0.9-z7-2.

Regards,
Peter

Peter,

Yes back to normal mode works ok. But the second attempt that i like to minimise it does not.

I use the restore point to get it going again.

 :)

Peter,
thank you, the problem is solved by going back to a restore point and starting all over with 0.9-z7-3.
Sorry for bothering you, I could have found this solution myself.
The mystery remains why this happened.

Cheers,
Eric.

I have restore point @ day/time I installed OCX files and z7-2.
This restore point results in minimized OS and (registered) z7-2.
Returning system to Normal and trying to minimize again results with not minimized system.
Perhaps some older, from March2012.
:scratching:

Excuse me, but that's no solution! It's wrong when a application needs restore point.

Johan

Johan, in the next version I'll exclude you from using Minimized OS, okay ?

I've re-installed OS, mbd drivers, snd crd drivers etc.
Used reg. key received for z7-2. Before registering tried all options & settings (diff mem settings, Q1 etc)
XXHE is 'partly registered': can choose 'Proc. Appointment Scheme'(s) but not engage PA (no red top/bottom stripe, no *)
And still not able to minimize OS w/ XXHE.

Beer time...

With a new PC (which is what this comes down to) you alway need a new Activation Code. So, that part never changed ...

Peter

If you look earlier msgs in topic, I tried parallel installation z7-2 & z7-3 with z7-2 activation code.
Result: 'partly' registered/activated. Anyway this morning re-installed OS and all, made clean Restore Point.
Btw, thanks for very good advice on Restore Points (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1972.0)

Sending request for new acti code.

Brgds!

Hi,

Same with me. Cannot go into MinOS.
Have fresh PC, installed 1 week back. I guess I do not have any restore points or are they created by default?

Truly, do not want to re-install all over again.

Ivo

Ivo,

Instead of applying Restore Points, I'd rather that at least someone (you) gets his installation / Activation right. IOW :

I refuse to believe that applying a Restore Point is necessary to get things right. What I do believe though, is that one can do a couple of things wrong, next applies a Restore Point, *then* applies all right (which goes by a kind of nature) to next think the Restoree Point did the job.

What one can do wrong :

- End with any previous version in Minimized to next install a new version which starts off in Normal Mode. As it *seems*. But all what happens is that the Minimized button shows a wrong state.

- Install the new version over the folder of the old one. That won't work at any time.

- Copy the the Activation file of the old version into the folder of the new version; will never work.

- Apply a pre-0.9z-7 Code to a 0.9z-7 version.

- Mangle with the XX folders otherwise, which includes reinstalling the OS and such.

Either of the above can easily lead to the necessity to do it all over again, including the necessity for obtaining a new Code.

The right way (actually very simple) :

a. Cause with the current version to end up in Normal Mode;
b. Install the new version in a new folder (just leave the old folder be);
c1. Apply a previously obtained Activation Code for 0.9z-7
or
c2. When no 0.9z-7 Code is present yet, obtain an Activation Code through Paypal.

Ad c1
It is not said at all that this will work, after having applied a wrong sequence before. So, if c1 fails (won't Activate properly), go to c2 after all. Thus, c1 assumes a normal hopping to a next 0.9z-7 version (and not the solution to a once "destroyed" situation).

Ivo, in your situation you may or may not recognize that you did something wrong. In either case you can now start out right (see above) and go through Paypal again (money will of course be returned). If you then applied all as advised, you should see that it all works. In any even please let me know, because we should get rid of the "Restore Point is needed" idea. Really. And otherwise I need to understand why.
Ok ?

Thanks,
Peter

Peter,

Thanks for extended story.
I will re-install when I have time, hope this weekend.

BTW, what is the main advantage of running XX in MinOS vs. running XX unattended in "normal" OS? As I see pretty much the same things get shut down and number of processes/services left in RAM is the same. Are there anymore "lay-offs :)" done in MinOS than in simple unattended that are not so obvious?

Thanks,

And thank you really for great audio software!!!

Ivo

Hi Ivo,

It is a difference of night and day, really. Well, just try it (also meaning : you really should get it going !).

Regards,
Peter

Peter,

OK.

So, here is what I did so far:

1. Renamed all current XX folders to start with YY.
2. Downloaded z73 rar.
3. Unrared and run XX as usual.
4. Activated, set all settings, tried that it works (audio plays in unattended).
5. Pressed MinOS and let OS reboot.
6. OS came back as normal - I am sure 100% it is such.

Could be so that 'Phasure OCX' should be uninstalled as well before running XX a new?

Ivo

Hi ivo,

Can you still minimize with version 7-2? If so then use that as starting situation where you first take the OS back to normal and use v7-2 to bring windows back to normal duties.

Then create a new directory not using a used name and extract all XX 7-3 files into that directory.

Do NOT activate at first but make XX play with your basic settings first. If that works out okay then make a reboot (to be sure) and start XX v7-3 again. Now you should activate and play some tunes to check if all is still activated. Reboot again bringing all back still working as it should and then going to minimised OS should not be a problem.

Bert

Consider this a form of "mangling" !

No, that OCX is unrelated.

Peter

Well,

I was able to MinOS easily with last version of 6 just before the 7. I now that before activating version 7 my PC was in normal state because I use it also for other purposes.

Should I now get 7-2, activate it (with refund) and try to MinOS and back?

I will try first to run the latest from 6 and cycle through the
OS states.

Ivo

So,

Late here.
Tried latest version 6 - it also does not go into MinOS. However, when I reboot button is RED as if I am there. Services are all up and so do the processes. I suppose it is not MinOS.
Then I tried z73 anew and this time no MinOS and no RED button.

BTW, how to say which mode you are besides button? If I look @Taskmanager - is that sufficient?

I am starting to get lost a bit how this all works - normal, unattedned and then MinOS. I had no problem with versions before 7. Is it so that MinOS now works differently in version 7?

I have a fresh PC - 10 days old. Win7 Pro x64 SP1.

Ivo

Hi Ivo,

Minimized OS and Restore Points W7 (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1972.msg20192#msg20192)

Did you read this one ?

Hello,

Yes, I read that. Tried the reboots, but still cannot get into MinOS mode. Seems that I need to try the restore point.

I see I have them many and I guess right thing to do is try one before the "Installed Phasure OCX".

Ivo

Morning,

Tried restore point last night. After apply, I needed to re-install OCX addon by XX as well as HiFace drivers (my DAC is based on HiFace).
After all, unsuccessfullu tried to enter the MinOS mode.

Now, would a clean re-install help? I am actually not really getting what is so different in my PC that XX cannot get into MinOS? As I said, I installed it myself fresh, all HW drivers I put myself, there is nothing pre-installed by someone. Also, I disabled various services based on my experience and system is stable - all works. I also did some other system tweeks based on experience (turn off USB power management, stop all types of indexing, etc...)
I do not get what could impact ability of XX to enter MinOS?

Ivo

Hi Ivo,

I don't think your Activation worked properly. Also, I don't think it *can* work properly when you in the mean time reverted to a Restore Point and because of that reason XXHighEnd needed to be reinstalled (which is just my conclusion from that OCX being vanished). Lastly, you applied a Restore Point which was too old; otherwise that OCX would not have been gone.

So, all my own conclusions, but I think they are correct. But in the mean time I wonder how it can happen that you think Activation is OK while all leads to it being not OK at all (you other topic about Unattended also is an indication).

I don't think a fresh OS install is needed, but it depends a bit on how the "mess" currently is. I think it will be more easy for you to again obtain a Code through Paypal and have a last attempt before indeed doing that fresh OS install. But please follow the procedure (see email) 100% (and I am not saying that you did not before !).

In the mean time ... when the new Code does not help you, you can provide the XX log file which emerges from a Reboot into Minimized attempt. Maybe I can see something in there.
You can do that right now too, but then I must try to incorporate the possibility of not being Activated correctly (which makes it harder *if* I can see from the log file in the first place).

Regards,
Peter

Peter,

As I just wrote on the other topic, re-activation with new code solved problem with sudden stops while in un-attended.

It also solved the going into MinOS and it seems that first time I was doing something not exactly according to procedure, sorry for that.

BUT, this morning, I tried to MinOS again and it again does not go into that ! ! ! Now I pay attention to the title bar - it is in RED - it means activation is OK. I tried several times, but PC reboots normally, however MinOS button is RED. I press it again, it reboots back to 'normal' and MinOS button is BLUE. If I press it and reboot to MinOS, actual OS is normal, but MinOS button is RED. It seems that button says it is there, but OS is not.

I was so happy last night, but this morning :(

Ivo

Forgot to add:

Since last night, PC was in MinOS mode (the only time it worked) and this morning my wife instead of pressing MinOS to bring PC back to normal, just rebooted the PC.

Might it somehow impact this?
Is it really important to always press MinOS button to get back to normal? Or simple restart also is OK?

Ivo

Ivo,

I can do it once also. Use the resore point to make it work again. Once it is in minOS i tried not to touch it anymore.

So after you have entered the code and make your setting but before you go in minOS you must have made that restore point.

 :)

Ehm Ivo, a sort of unrelated question : did you now make a Restore Point *after* all was working properly ?

Just a question which doesn't need an answer. But it implies how you should deal with Restore Points (and how easily you can get it all going again when something is wrong).

Hi,

Well, I did not create any restore points after I was able to go into MinOS. My fault this time.

But, with version before z7.. all was fine. I mean I could reboot at any time and MinOS always worked as clock! I never used any restore points before ever. Why is z7 so sensitive to this? Is that somehow related to the new activation mechanism?

Actually, Peter, I did not know there are things like Play1.txt and Play2.txt. I mean I was pressed to read them before I could activate :)

OK, now, does it mean I need to remove XX from PC, install it a new and get another code and activate it again
OR
I can use any existing restore point I have and then re-install and re-activate?

Ivo

What do you mean by "not to touch it anymore"?

Ivo

Ivo,

I think I told it before, but for the time Minimized OS is there I swap boots at least 2 times a day each day since. Besides that I reboot often by normal means and in either mode.

As far as my own experience goes, it only goes wrong when you install something else and

a. do that in Minimized Mode;
b. do that in Normal Mode and don't apply a reboot after that, no matter the install concerned doesn't ask for that.

Something like that and either way another install is involved. And, this even seems logic, when the message from XXHighEnd is "Reboot the OS to your original state" with the emphasis on original. Thus, this can be tampered with by doing things in between what original was and what it is supposed to go back to.

Do you recognize anything of this ?
Otherwise I have no idea what is going on but all I know is that somehow you must be an exception. But let me please refer again to you loosing your Activation (assumed it was okay before). That too is an indication that you "do" things which you should not. So, nobody looses his Activation by itself; it can only happen because things are mangled with. Not on purpose, but mangled with. Blame me for that - this is okay. But now the question is : why you.

Anyway, to me it sounds sheer impossible that you :
a. got your Activation right;
b. tried Minimized OS;
c. went back to Normal;
d. created a restore point;
e. went to Minimized;
f. went back to Normal;
g. wife rebooted the PC;
h. tried Minimized and it does not work anymore.

Look at c. There is no way you will have done that, or otherwise you wouldn't have encountered the problem this morning. This, left alone in between installs like I just talked about). This implies that you also can't have performed d. Am I right ? then you did wrong (haha).

Btw about g. ... whether your wife has done this after being back in Normal or at Minimized will not matter (normally !).

So ... when you would have applied c. and e. (which I doubt you did) then we would have known that it 100% has to be me (still doubtful but okay). But since I don't think you did, we'd now have to blame the OS "situation" and a fresh reinstall of it seems in order.

Still I can't believe it all - or maybe something else can be tried.

So, what you actually say is that since you reactivated it now works. No, workED. So, if that helped, reactivate again. You can just do that. *If* that helps, it should help again for one time. But I really don't see how such a thing like reactivating can help ...

HELP
haha

Nothing was installed 100%.
Only thing I did is unplugged network cable and disabled physical network adapter because I use WIFI. I guess I did not reboot here. Launched XX and could not get into MinOS.

a.=TRUE
b.=TRUE
c.=TRUE
d.=FALSE
e.=TRUE
f.=TRUE (wife's reboot here)
g.
h.=TRUE

OK, I guess will wait when the refund sum appears in my account (it usually takes several days) and then will get another key and try again.

Ivo

Ok, thanks. But I really really don't see how a normal reboot will end up in a change of OS mode. And FYI : it will be clear that "I" don't do a thing when you press the Start button and choose Reboot.

BUT

Maybe think hard about such an install In between. Or, why your wife rebooted the PC.
So, what will happen with the Install in between is that the OS will draw its own set of "reboot parameters" which mangle with "mine"; I can't prevent that because that is how the OS works (it maintains a total of 4 sets of "reboot parameters").

You just as well can look and see whether you find a Restore Point from this morning, or anyway one you did not create. Maybe your wife installed something. But if the Restore Point is there, at least *something* was installed (and the Restore Point will tell you what it is).

?

Peter,

Wife rebooted as she wanted to check weather. As I left device (in enters SLEEP mode after a while) in MinOS, there is no network, so she rebooted to get the OS back, thus the network. The use-case has always been such @our place.

And there is really nothing about installing something.

Let's see later... @work now... cannot.

Ivo

Aha ! Well, not sure it can be related Ivo, but did you know that from off Vista any audio PC is not allowed to enter sleep mode ? it will not restore things properly ... (like WASAPI).

And besides that ... and not that I ever thought about it ... I guess Windows "getting out of sleep" (which thus is wackey in the first place) is a most dangerous thing combined with Minimized OS. And if you *then* make the combination of it being to sleep (the OS knows this) and then reboot instead of waking it up as should ... unpredictable results ?

So maybe that is it ! At least I hope so ...
(plus it must be *something* of course)

Okay. Try to do the exact same as how you started out last night. One difference : I'm pretty sure you won't need that new Activation Code. If you only start out the exact same way. And if you do need a new Code you will see that soon enough.

Shut off that ability to Sleep or Hybernate or that 3rd mode.

If all is right you will be able to Minimize again;
If you like it, do the same as before, last night; leave it in the same state.
Reboot the PC tomorrow morning (let your wife do that - haha). Of course this won't be from Sleep or Off state now, so it has to be an explicit reboot which can not be 100% the same as this morning.

And then see ...

Regards and good luck !,
Peter


PS: Make one exception to yesterday's procedure ...
When XXHighEnd is proven to be OK with Minimized and such, now make that Restore Point (when in Normal Mode). Ok ?

Peter,

Interesting.
I was using so the old PC (Win7 HP) and everything was perfect. I mean it always went sleep while in MinOS and came back OK. Everytime reboot was perfectly fine!

This time it is laptop and I allow it only to SLEEP, no hybernation or deep sleeps or anything, just sleep.

OK, let's see...

Ivo

Yeah, well, I have a nice Toshiba laptop, and since its new Windows install it awakes (also from power off) when the lid is closed. And yes, of course I know about the power settings for that. But no-way I can get it solved.

Just an example.

Power management seems to be a big pain since Vista. Can also be super-bad for audio (latency) in general ...

Peter

ONE MORE THING

Thus far I *never* stated that Minimized OS was ready for laptops. Rather the other way around. It is only that people seem to be able to use it *if* there are many XX users with laptops these days in the first place.

So please be aware of the -what I call "fact"- that when a laptop is OK for Minimized, it will be coincidence. And not because I even tested it. There's so much sh*t in a laptop that after a year I still didn't put myself to the task (but, in maybe 8 hours of time I was able to determine the services involved, so the beginning is there).

Peter

Peter,

Last night tried. Seems I need a new key as the current one does not turn title from BLUE to RED. So, I suspect it is not activated properly.
This month was financially strong, so to say, will wait for Oct to come and then proceed :)

Ivo

I always thought to recognize a minimized mode via this specific button. But after all this discussions i know that this button only indicates a specific state but tells you nothing about the real mode. How do I recognize a real minimized mode? Most services are stopped i think! I have changed the system setting for maximum performance so the buttons and screens in Windows 7 are all simplified in graphics.

Hi Johan,

The most easy would be to not eliminate those graphisc (Aero and such) yourself. Sounds stupid maybe, but at least now you can recognize dead-easy whether they are shut down when in Minimized OS. And when not ? well, then it did not work ...

Hope this helps somewhat !
Peter

Hello,

So, today I got z7-4 and also got a new key (non-refundable this time as am hungry for great playback :))

1) Installed, activated and did manual restore point. All works, but so far I have not tried yet un-attended and MinOS.

BTW Peter,
Activation email says we must see red title bar when all is OK, topic here says just check Appointment. In my case latter was OK but title bar still BLUE. Only after reboot I got title bar RED. Maybe a change in manual(s) is needed.

2) Now off for a while, later will try to go deeper into nirvana and find myself in MinOS. Will report.

Ivo

Ivo, you must be a strange guy. Thanks man ...

That you experienced that reboot to help is a coincidence. A next startup of XXHighEnd + Play should have done it ...

Now finally ... enjoy !
Regards,
Peter

It did not.  :)

Ivo

Another next ! really ..

Hi Peter,

So, after successful activation yesterday, I also tried the MinOS mode and I was not able to go into that. I tried several times and no way it goes in there. Checked my services - all standard ones, no special non-Windows services are running. All my power management if OFF wherever that is possible. My laptop has only the minimum software and not all that cr*p that comes when you buy pre-installed one.
When I go into unattended I stop 0 services and it works, only 4 processes need to be left unstoppable for unattended to work.
I guess I will leave it for now and play in unattended as want to enjoy a bit of music.... :)

Can you shortly (I know it ain't easy) describe what is so special going on when we choose to use MinOS? I know it grabs RAM in advance, but still....

Ivo (running know the very latest z7-4)

Hi Ivo,

Well, I am out of text ... :)


But what do you mean by this ? So, I don't understand

"I stop 0 services"

and

"and it works" (what works ? or what doesn't work otherwise and what will be this "otherwise" ?)

Also, when you use the MinOS button, does the reboot normally happen or do you receive a message ?

I could also ask : what actually tells you it does not work ?

And a strange one perhaps : can you show me a screenshot of your Taskbar ?

Sorry for all the questions, but I try to understand what could be going on ...
Peter

So,

Forget about those services I stop (just mentioned them as you said before it might relate to some problem in services). I meant that all services are able to stop, noone needs to be put in Keep services list.


Yes, I press and it says that now will reboot to MinOS. As usual.


After reboot Theme service runs and windows theme stays the same. Also, process and service count running in RAM is the same and network is up however I said it to stop wifi services.

Will send you later a video how I do that :)

Ivo

Haha, no video needed.

Ok. You may send the XX log file which will be there as the latest one just after your MinOS-Reboot attempt. But switch on logging of course. Please send the file to sales at etc. and then we will proceed from there. Ok ?

Thanks,
Peter

Hello Ivo,
I have been there before myself more than once.
From your symptoms I bet you did not follow EXACTLY(step by step) the activation procedure. Just do it again.

Good luck and cheers,
Eric

Peter
This looks like what Gerard & I described already: XXHE can minimize OS only once, at first attempt.
If by any reason/need you want to return to Normal OS, on second and further attempts XXHE is not able
to stop any services or make change from Aero to Windows 7 Basic Theme.

Ivo
For the moment best practice is to make System Restore Point after activating XXHE and installing any SW you
may need (like WinRar etc.). Then follow Peter's advise on System Restore Point, reserving more disk space for
System Restore. Now create Restore Point naming it whatever you like. This restore point will serve as start
point in case anything goes wrong, you will have activated XXHE allways.

For the moment think you will need to re-instal OS again, shut off UAC (w/ restart of course) and reqest new
activation code. Before clicking Minimize OS, try all modes & memory organisation, incl. unattended mode.

HTH

Brgds
 
:drinks:

I must have switched between 'Minimize OS' and 'normal OS' over 100 times yesterday with none of the described issues whatsoever. But I have 'Windows 7 Ultimate' on both of my music PCs (both relatively new clean builds). Might it be a good idea to invest in a copy of Ultimate just to alleviate these kinds of issues (if indeed this fixes things)?

Mani.

EDIT: Ah Eric, I see you're already on W7Ult. OK, so that's not the soluton...

To me it looks like Ivo is Activated all right and otherwise I don't know myself what that is. ;)

Also, I don't think Ivo got into Minimized even one time.

So it looks to be a different situation and maybe still the laptop is related. Somehow I have the hunch that the laptop is lean because Ivo made it that (threw out things). Well, that could be a nice reason. So Ivo, if you did ... Reinstall a normal W7 OS (not made for the laptop) and don't touch anything further. XXHighEnd will kill all there is to kill, except for what's in the "Startup". But never mind that for now.

Peter

Hi all,

Thanks for sharing minds.
The thing is that I did follow activation steps each and every. And it activated like it should. All works, except MinOS mode. As Peter mentioned there is no connection between activation and MinOS as such.
After I activated and played a little in attended mode, I did a restore point. Nothing has been installed since then.

I guess it is never said that before going into MinOS, one must play in all modes and in all mem organizations.

Of course I can try to wipe all off, make a clean install and re-activate, but then if I again change something later on - for instance do some tweaks to OS, where is guarantee that another re-install won't be needed?

Ivo

1) I have Win 7 x64 Pro SP1 dvd, purchased separatly from laptop.
2) Usually after install I do:
-disable set of services I know can be disabled from experience
-turn off scheduled defrag
-turn off file indexing on hdd
-turn off swap
-turn off some windows features
-turn off all sounds
-turn off majority of visual effects
-disable some un-needed HW in device manager
-turn off power management where possible

I have done it previously on my tower PC and all was fine with XX going into MinOS. (Prior to version 7, though).

Really hate re-install all again, maybe I can try enabling back some of things I have stopped?

Ivo

Hi all ,

can't say this is interesting . But the last couple of versions or so ,I had the same problem ( big pc ) . I hink I know how to play with activations (!) but nevertheless cant go in minize anymore . 2 systems : one in MBR and the other in UEFI , both w7 ultimate .

I did try about everything ; restoring point let go the system in minimized one time and then nada .

Also did turn off all the timers/sleeping feautures .

The next OS in the new HD from WD , will maybe tell more .

Stefano

Ivo, no. Just send me that log file and I will try to see what is going on. I think you tried enough for now. Notice though that the way you "operate" is prone to have all stuck because it is encouraged that in between reboots you actually perform installs (merely uninstalls in your case) and it is known that this will confuse the process. So, one example (and in your head the real situation will be stored) :

When you uninstall some hardware, do not reboot (just because the OS doesn't ask you to) and next go into Minimized, you are in bad luck because the OS rules here and creates its own set of "reboot settings". These will conflict what XXHighEnd does (well, this is the idea behind the failed MinOS situations) and a normal human being has to reinstall the OS. As I told before, I had this a couple of times (maybe 4 or 5 all together) and only with MUCH effort I could get it back to normal, without me seeing any logic anywhere. But for me it is 100% : it is because a reboot "fixates" any new install situation and only upon that Minimized OS is to be applied.

But let's stop this for now. Just hand me that log file.
Stefano, you can do it too, although it seems a different situation. Send it to sales at etc.

Peter