XXHighEnd

Hi Peter, I´ve been reading about software for remote control and found this software called Team Viewer: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx (http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx)

Maybe it could be of some utility to control XXHighEnd from other/s computer, an iPhone/iPad or any other android phone or tablet.

These are the advantages:

- As I said you can control remotely your music PC from any other of your computer, tablet or phone via internet.

- Can be used with 3G

- Would allow to be connected to a net where anyone in the net could provide direct support to each other. So i.e. Peter could see directly in my music computer where are my log files  ;). Or could see if my XXHighEnd configuration is the correct one.

- It is free for private use


Here they are some more links:

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/help/firststeps.aspx (http://www.teamviewer.com/en/help/firststeps.aspx)

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/remotecontrol.aspx (http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/remotecontrol.aspx)

Juan

I control my media-PC wireless from a laptop. I used Remote Desktop but it uses more computing resources, so last year I changed to Team Viewer. It works very well, seemingly more stable.

I have TeamViewer also on my Android phone. I can control my media PC from anywhere in the world. But screen is too tiny for XX. Not usable for daily use.

Oh boy ...

Please stay actively on the topic, because nothing is more devistating than Wifi. Well, that's what I assume for "wireless".
I had hoped this was clear by now.

Teamviewer doesn't work because of the same problems with RDC. And even if it did (wired this time), I still wouldn't use it myself, because of a majority of services that need to be on for it.


This is the important one. However, what I recall from a few months back is that this is not true to the extend we want it to be true. This is so with all these applications; looks similar to a 24/192 capable DAC while it only accepts 24/96 for input (and thus talks about output without saying it). It's all a matter of how it is written down.
Of course my experience is from those months back, so maybe things have changed.

Notice that this is not about 3G in general, but about "not Wifi". Otherwise what would be "additional".

Ok, I will get myself some hardware today and try something else. Will let you know ...

Peter

Even in case that this software couldn´t be used as remote control due to wi-fi issues, improper 3G configuration or because of a majority of services that need to be on, could be of interest to use it as a net to look and correct directly the problems between XXHighEnd users.

Would be fine however, if someone could test if 3G is working fine with XXHighEnd with this software. I guess that, as pedal said, if XXHigEnd can be controlled from any part of the world from his phone it implies that 3G is working fine, in such a case there is no wi-fi affecting a music computer so far away. If to work correctly needs other services running on all the time it´s other important issue, of course.

Juan

Again there may be more to it than you think, if only the real merits of all are known. For example, when not careful your phone is used as a WiFi hotspot first, so the (whatever) solution could imply just that. And there you'd have WiFi again.

This is not exactly about our example, but it is about how solutions imply things which are not so obvious as a downside, just because ALL anticipates on WiFi being around. So, your phone is 3G and connects to the internet wherever you are, which doesn't mean at all that from there you can get down to what's really needed without WiFi. Still your phone connects with nothing to the internet except for with WiFi. So, it doesn't even need to be told that it needs that, because it is too obvious. Now what we'd want is not-WiFi. Have fun with Google.

Still I have implied 3G several times (other topics), BUT for the iPad. Without that no-go again, and here too, no real help from Google. I know now, because I tried.

But the necessary hardware is here now, so let's try a few things ...

Ok, I don´t want to go out of the topic but let me expand it further. Let´s see my personal situation while I´m listening music, maybe it is similar to some others.

- I have turned on my laptop most of the time, it can be connected via cable or Wi-Fi but usually I have it Wi-Fi connected.

- I have my iPhone connected all the time, I can have it with 3G but I have it most of the time with Wi-Fi.

- The music PC is connected to Internet with cable when I use the partition where dBpoweramp or EAC and Accuraterip are used. The partition where XXHighEnd resides is not connected to Internet at all. So when I´m listening music the music PC is not connected to Internet, this PC has not Wi-Fi anyway.

Do you think that the laptop and the iPhone connected via Wi-Fi to the router are affecting the music PC?


Great!, will be nice to have that remote but are you thinking also in a way to control the computer while we are out of home? or to connect the members on this forum in a way that we can see other´s computer the way Team Viewer does?.

Juan

My media-PC is connect by 2m cable to the WiFi transmitter, who connects wireless to the laptop.
-It is perhaps not the "best" solution, but a practical compromise in my living room.
I could switch off the WiFi entirely, if running a network cable to the laptop.

Ahhh, this was my secret plan. Doing something stupid and provoking Peter to finally come up with a better solution!  :evil:

Yeah, nice thinking. Well, I'm 4 hours further now and achieved nothing. Still what's in my mind should be possible ...

Well, that is what brought us here in the first place. You not being happy with software players, so you created your own.

Next, you were not happy with the DACs around, so you went on building your own!

I am curious about the continuation...   :goodjob:

Haha. Yeah, well ... :)

I think this can work for a remote control:

AIM:
-Controling the media PC from the listening seat.
-Avoiding WiFi with its RF radiation.

SOLUTION:
-Run a cable from your internet connection to a network hub.
-Connect your media-PC to the hub with a network cable.
-Connect your laptop (or your tablet*) to the hub with a (long) network cable.
-Use Remote Desktop software to control the media-PC.

*Anybody who knows about a tablet with a plug connection option for a network cable?
-Used like a wired dedicated remote control, I fancy a lightweight tablet with a quick startup and a long lasting battery capasity. Network cables can run for long lengths, making it easy to tuck away along the floor/underc carpets etc

What do you thing, guys?

Pedal,

You can connect the tablet wireless (WiFi) to another PC with WiFi. So, WiFi is not forbidden in the room (according to me then) but it is forbidden in de Audio PC. Only have the WiFi transceiver (hence that PC) not close to the audio PC.

But next you'd still have the network up and running ...
(you already are "careless" with WiFi in the audio PC, but I don't even want the network to be up from it).

Regards,
Peter

This is what I do today. I have a D-Link hub with WiFi transmitter placed a couple of meters away from the media-PC.

I use a laptop, but are planning to buy a tablet for quicker/more convinient use in the listening sofa.
:)

No I don't think so (:scratching:). Or at least that is not what I mean. Why ?
Because you still have the "WiFi Services" active in the audio PC. They are devistating to good sound ...

Peter

Hi Pedal,

It is best to place the wireless hub somewhere else outside the listening room. Same for the cell phone during the listening session.

Do you actually have the wireless LAN card installed on your audio PC? If so please remove it and use only the hardline LAN connection. Usually I disconnect the LAN cable from audio PC during listening session. I need LAN only for AccurateRip on DBPA. You wouldn't want to Google from audio PC if you don't have Internet security application. I don't myself.

My remote control to XXHE is very simple ie. wireless keyboard and mouse. Ok Ok. It uses RF anyway. But I have no degradation of SQ at all. May be the RF signal for wireless mouse and keyboard are weak. For monitor, I run HDMI cable to my listening position. Just tuck the cable under the carpet. AC for monitor is easy to sort out! 

For critical listening, I run unattended mode and take the USB transceiver out from the audio PC.

Praphan

All,

Although many topics exist about remote stuff, being that software or "tablets" etc., this topic seems to be a good one to continue things a little ...

I don't know how many days I spent on it by now, but the last weekend another 14 hours or so finally brought me some base I now can proceed on. Djeezz, what a difficult stuff this is.

As you will learn later, you will see how sneaky this all is. And as I said (I think in this topic somewhere ?) "I have thought of something and it *must* be possible". Well, I have that part going now.

I think I can already tell that it doesn't hurt SQ (played with the "base" for two evenings), but this isn't sure yet. This is related to services which need to be shut on (now being off) which I don't know yet. So this is the next task to accomplish.

But there are still a few things which may let all fail, and which I can start testing only now.
So think of it ... maybe 40-50 hours I spent on this stupid thing, to only now being able to test what it is all about : net SQ.

Peter